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 Posted:   Feb 26, 2020 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

I recall what got me started on the topic was how "The Phantom Menace" was underscored nearly non-stop and I think that in that particular case, it was a big liability.
It made the whole movie seem like a big, long montage sequence.
Not only that, but it felt to me like the music was trying too hard to telegraph how I should be feeling from one scene to the next.
It's never really necessary to spoon-feed the audience in such a fashion.


So I'm scrolling through this thread and thinking to myself, "Oh man I can't wait until I get to the end of this so I can base my entire reply around THE PHANTOM MENACE." DAMN YOU, OCTOBERMAN.

But yes, if I ever I think about the topic of over-scoring I immediately think of TPM. It's hard to blame Williams, with Lucas being the boss and constantly tinkering and maybe realizing how much dramatic weight the music needed to carry. The irony being that over-scoring tends to stunt dramatic momentum, not raise it. So you're left with Williams noodling all over basic walk-and-talk scenes, and instead of those scenes making the film more compelling by quietly drawing the audience in to the characters, story, etc, they work against it with unnecessary distraction.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2020 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Indeed a constant tapestry of sound and musi can ruin a movie.And the Art of Silence is sometimes required.
A good example is TORN CURTAIN.
The killing scene scored by Herrmann..whose rejected music is fantastic of course ...but the killing without any music ...just the sound of two man struggeling...gasping etc..is more intense and shows off better what a struggle it is to kill a man...which thiis scene is all about.So..a good choice by Adisson and Hitchcock.


Sorry, you're just saying what you heard or read. The reality is that Herrmann's music in that scene is amazing and the scene would work perfectly with it if the music and fx were actually mixed properly.


So one person's opinion is incorrect, and the other person's opinion is correct.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2020 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

To be fair, I think we all know we can't trust the opinion of "every forklift operator and drywall installer who posts on this Website", which of course includes you. ;-)




Seriously though, both opinions have validity; dismissing one because it's perceived to be not the opinion of the person who states it, doesn't make it any less valid. There has to be more to invalidate it or at least make it an inferior stance.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2020 - 1:15 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

" ....the whole value of music in films is vitiated by this surfeit of music in which we all live.So if music is to be used in a film, it must be used not only sparingly but with calculated effect."
Just to quote a master...Mr.Goldsmith.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2020 - 1:28 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Haha..just discovered the CHARLY CHAN segment.That's classic and should silence all those who are crying for more musicsmile
How horrible...a man walks up to a cab and drives along...sounds like flying saucers are attacking...here we go....

 
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