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 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I'm confused. If the tapes are lost where did the original recordings without dialog come from? I was only aware of the OST with dialog. So I was thrilled when the re-recording came out. Which I happen to love.


At the time of ROMEO AND JULIET's release, Capitol Records released both the LP with dialogue highlights [ST-2993, U.S.] and a score-only LP [ST-400, U.S.] (the latter was a smaller seller). It is that Capitol album master that is being reissued by Quartet. The original tracks from which that album master was compiled are gone.

For the record, Capitol also released a 4-LP set [SWDR 289, U.S.] with pretty much the entire mixed soundtrack of the film.


Wow, never knew that! Thxs for the explanation.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

TAMING OF THE SHREW is one of those unheralded and underappreciated scores by Rota. Bravo!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I suspect that one reason that the TAMING OF THE SHREW score album was not released was because it would have been a mono LP in what was rapidly becoming an all-stereo era. Mono sound is more forgivable on a dialogue-heavy release. (Also, maybe RCA felt that Shakespeare would be a bigger seller than Rota to U.S. audiences.)

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I personally prefer the original performance under Rota's baton, written and performed more as a chamber score with a more intimate feel.
Yavar




Yes, the original's smaller sound has more of a renaissance feel to it.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

I'm confused. If the tapes are lost where did the original recordings without dialog come from? I was only aware of the OST with dialog. So I was thrilled when the re-recording came out. Which I happen to love.


At the time of ROMEO AND JULIET's release, Capitol Records released both the LP with dialogue highlights [ST-2993, U.S.] and a score-only LP [ST-400, U.S.] (the latter was a smaller seller). It is that Capitol album master that is being reissued by Quartet. The original tracks from which that album master was compiled are gone.

For the record, Capitol also released a 4-LP set [SWDR 289, U.S.] with pretty much the entire mixed soundtrack of the film.



The all music LP came out much later and did not appear to be widely distributed. The 4 LP dialog set contained all the dialog but was edited down to about 2 hours. This was also issued much later than the original dialog/music LP.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

I suspect that one reason that the TAMING OF THE SHREW score album was not released was because it would have been a mono LP in what was rapidly becoming an all-stereo era. Mono sound is more forgivable on a dialogue-heavy release. (Also, maybe RCA felt that Shakespeare would be a bigger seller than Rota to U.S. audiences.)

RCA issued an all dialog MAN FOR ALL SEASONS and HAMLET (TV, Richard Chamberlain) LP sets about the same time. Also, CROMWELL on Capitol was dialog heavy

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I suspect that one reason that the TAMING OF THE SHREW score album was not released was because it would have been a mono LP in what was rapidly becoming an all-stereo era. Mono sound is more forgivable on a dialogue-heavy release. (Also, maybe RCA felt that Shakespeare would be a bigger seller than Rota to U.S. audiences.)

RCA issued an all dialog MAN FOR ALL SEASONS and HAMLET (TV, Richard Chamberlain) LP sets about the same time. Also, CROMWELL on Capitol was dialog heavy







Pre-home video, LPs were just about the only way to re-live these films at home. Lots of people saw it as a great boon to have dialogue available, the next best thing to watching the film. The impossibility of being able to see entire recent movies at home made the availability of the dialogue something of a rare treasure.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The all music LP [of 1968's ROMEO AND JULIET] came out much later and did not appear to be widely distributed. The 4 LP dialog set contained all the dialog but was edited down to about 2 hours. This was also issued much later than the original dialog/music LP.


If by "much later," you mean 1969, then I agree.

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Shakespeare+Zeffirelli+Rota+Chris Malone=buy.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

The all music LP [of 1968's ROMEO AND JULIET] came out much later and did not appear to be widely distributed. The 4 LP dialog set contained all the dialog but was edited down to about 2 hours. This was also issued much later than the original dialog/music LP.


If by "much later," you mean 1969, then I agree.


YES

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Shakespeare+Zeffirelli+Rota+Chris Malone=buy.

I like your math; it matches mine. smile

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   odelayy   (Member)

How come the Silva release (not the re-recording, the OST) has a almost 8 minute epilogue when all the other releases of the OST, including the new Quartet, have a 2 minute one?

The Silva epilogue :




The version I have is the Cloud 9 one.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2019 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

How come the Silva release (not the re-recording, the OST) has a almost 8 minute epilogue when all the other releases of the OST, including the new Quartet, have a 2 minute one?

The Silva epilogue :




The version I have is the Cloud 9 one.



That "Silva Epilogue" is NOT from the OST. That's from a re-recording. You can tell by the sound the recording and the size of the orchestra. The re-recording used a much larger orchestra.

James

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2019 - 2:22 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

The so-called "Epilogue" with 7:42 minutes on the Silva CD of ROMEO AND JULIET came from the compilation CD "Cinema┬┤s Classic Romances" which was also released by Silva Screen in 1998, although they did not indicate this in the booklet or on the back cover. The City of Prague Orchestra was conducted by Kenneth Alwyn in this suite recording:

https://www.discogs.com/de/The-City-Of-Prague-Philharmonic-Kenneth-Alwyn-Cinemas-Classic-Romances/release/10672599

The actual "Epilogue" of the original Rota recording with about 2 minutes therefore appears on the CD as the second half of track 18 "O Happy Dagger".

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2019 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Wow, great releases for Rota Quartet.. count me in for both, i've never really owned either, well i had Taming once 2nd hand, but battered quite unplayable.. Many thanks, great-work guys. I'm pleased.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2019 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Enjoying both after a wonderful Chinese feast at Yank Sing downtown and a brisk walk a few hours later with Flor and Samantha .Glad to have these new editions. They sound great.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 6:50 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Quick question for those familiar with the film. Was Taming ever presented as a Roadshow (this is based on the presence of the overture on the album)?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 9:18 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Quick question for those familiar with the film. Was Taming ever presented as a Roadshow (this is based on the presence of the overture on the album)?


It depends upon the location and how you define "roadshow." In the U.S., it was definitely shown as a reserved seat attraction, even in smaller cities such as Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. As to whether it was in 70mm or had a intermission, I've found no evidence of either. The film only runs 122 minutes (126 with the Overture).

Overseas, the film originally played in the U.K. in 35mm, but had a 70mm blow-up showing in 6-track stereo in 1973. Elsewhere, there is a report of a 1967 70mm blowup in Mexico City.

 
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