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Sep 17, 2019 - 7:22 AM
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mastadge
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I saw it last night, the first time in a theatre since I saw it opening weekend in 1979. I felt like I was 14 again. The audio was loud like it should be...V'ger , the light probe and the transporter accident were so loud it added the fright factor. Jerry Goldsmith's score sounded excellent, and it was great to hear the overture as originally with no starfield.
The performances were more nuanced that I remember...Kirk tapping his chair when the Enterprise leaves drydock, Spock's reactions to McCoy before his realization...multiple Native Americans and Andorians on the Rec Dec...so much to take in visually and aurally. A feast for the eyes and ears.
I took a younger friend who was actually born the day the movie came out in 1979. This was his first time seeing it on the big screen. He enjoyed it immensely, as did I...at no time was I bored, or did I find the movie slow moving. It was probably the most fun I ever had watching it. It was meant to be watched on the big screen.
I only hope they do a limited run like this when the updgrade the Directors Edition, which, according to the Inglorious Treksperts they are reportedly working on.
This was my experience as well, more or less. I've seen the movie a number of times but it was revelation on the big screen with the big speakers, and my girlfriend who had never seen it before at all reported enjoying it and not being bored.
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A few other observations for what they’re worth: the color scheme of the Bridge was definitely beige, not grey as it appeared in early home video. When Wise graded the Director’s Cut he suggested “warming things up” and did so, so either this master reflects that choice or Wise’s original grade was warmer and later video releases got it slightly too cool.
I noticed for the first time that Persis Khambatta was doing something wonderful in her performance as Probe Ilia -looking at Decker her eyes were really alive and brimming with emotion and then they would go dead flat as her “programming” reasserted itself. It’s always been clear that was the intent, but to see it on a huge screen brought that part of her performance to life in a new way. She deserves a lot more credit than she was given.
I really have to blame some of her performance problems on the really bad ADR. Some of the dubbing is really stilted. Even Nimoy: "Break-free-to-where-Commander?" His line reading in the Special Longer Version is much more natural. Persis' worst stuff was cut out (the "sexually immature species" line). Since English was not her native language, of course she had trouble. But her internalizing was excellent. She really wasn't a bad actress, she was just hampered by English.
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I'm really really really looking forward to a Blade Runner-esque "All the Stuff" blu ray edition. SO I CAN EDIT TOGETHER MY OWN ULTIMATE EDITION. 
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Actually what Fathom is playing is the DCP that the Blu-ray was created from.
It is also a full 5.1 mix.
So essentially what you are seeing is a slightly higher resolution version of the Blu-ray that also possesses a wider color gamut (Digital Cinema's P3 color space vs. standard Blu-ray REC709).
If there was no sound coming from the surround speakers then the fault lies with the particular theater it was being shown in.
That sounds plausible. There were spot effects and voices from screen right or left that seemed beyond the normal Left/right split but the rear speakers were not audible at all and I’ve participated in a number of theatrical mixes so I was listening for it. Very possible this was a theater-specific issue. However it’s worth noting that the original mix was hampered by the rush to finish that compromised the rest of the film (most of the prepared effects were left unused) and in my experience the mix has always been front-heavy.
Interesting. I've mixed a few films myself and have done some work interfacing between the studios and the home theater industry, so know a fair amount about what goes on "behind the scenes" in creating DCPs, mixes for theatrical vs. home, etc. So agree that TMP has always been front heavy, but I literally just watched the Blu-ray the other day in my home theater and it's definitely in surround. In fact, I listened to the original mix and compared it to the Director's Edition and was surprised to find that in some ways the theatrical sounded richer and fuller (particularly the music elements). I am hoping when / if the Director's Edition is remastered to 4K the give the new mix another pass. It would definitely benefit from a bit of tweaking, purely from a fidelity and balance standpoint.
I know that the mix for TMP was never really finished, in that they never had time to lay down the "beds" for the environmental sounds for the bridge and such. However, during some of the big scenes (going to warp, V'Ger's temper tantrums at the end, etc), surround channel activity is still pretty high.
FWIW, Producer David Fein has gone on record on Facebook to say that the Fathom release is definitely the DCP that was created to be the Blu-ray master. I might see it tomorrow at the theater and can get a feel for it myself. It's amazing how many theaters are badly calibrated or surround channels not working at all. Happened to me on a film I mixed and did the score for - only the center and surround channels were working in the theater, with the left and right channels totally out! It was agony sitting there in a packed theater with my musical score barely audible, and nothing I could do about it. If I hadn't blended some of it to the rear channels no one would have heard it at all. 
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Having championed the Director's Edition, it is a bit disappointing that that's not what's being showed now.
Well, until it's redone, it would look pretty bad projected that large. Hell, it looks substandard on my 55 inch TV. But I would love to see it redone in 4k (but with a few of the edits from the DE rejiggered).
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I hope this upcoming anniversary means that a 70mm blowup in 6-track Dolby will be shown somewhere in L.A.
Anyone know what the possibility of that is?
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I hope this upcoming anniversary means that a 70mm blowup in 6-track Dolby will be shown somewhere in L.A.
Anyone know what the possibility of that is?
Essentially zero. From what I understand, the TMP showings have been sparsely attended. Prepping and projecting a 70mm print is no small expense these days. Hard to imagine anyone at Paramount ok'ing that kind of cash outlay.
The current DCP looks good and sounds terrific.
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John Schuermann: From what I understand, the TMP showings have been sparsely attended. Prepping and projecting a 70mm print is no small expense these days. Hard to imagine anyone at Paramount ok'ing that kind of cash outlay.
The current DCP looks good and sounds terrific.
I haven't attended any Fathom Events showings that were anywhere near DCP quality.
Has this changed since my last Fathom show?
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It doesn't help that you can really just watch these at home. People who hate theater audiences or don't want to spend like $15 a person just don't come out to these things. They have to appeal to fans and movie buffs who want the "big screen" experience. I really hope Fathom and the studios take that into account when they plan these events. They can't possibly expect box office bonanzas.
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I've decided I don't ever need to hear someone explaining a blaster beam ever ever ever again.
OTOH, I'd love to see one played.
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