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 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Mike, What Elements were found for bride of Frankenstein and Prince of Foxes.
Is prince from the original optical tracks and Not a tape dupe?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Mike, What Elements were found for bride of Frankenstein and Prince of Foxes.
Is prince from the original optical tracks and Not a tape dupe?




........... Bump!

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

I can't comment about Bride at this point, sorry.

For Prince of Foxes we started with the 1/4" tapes of flat optical transfers done in the 1980s and the score was done completely over from scratch.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

And a brilliant job it was. I can't stop listening to the damn thing.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

How were you able to salvage so much more of it this time, if the source was the same as the FSM? (i.e. Was it mainly tracks that suffered from wow that were left off the FSM at the time, but can now be included due to new digital technology to fix it?)

I’m getting hopeful this is a Rio Conchos-level night-and-day difference...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   bagby   (Member)

Double post

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   bagby   (Member)

How were you able to salvage so much more of it this time, if the source was the same as the FSM? (i.e. Was it mainly tracks that suffered from wow that were left off the FSM at the time, but can now be included due to new digital technology to fix it?)

I’m getting hopeful this is a Rio Conchos-level night-and-day difference...

Yavar


This software--Capstan from Celemony--is just amazing stuff. I'm guessing this or something like it was utilized. It ain't cheap (if you want to own it) but you can lease it for five days at a time (amazing!) The Celemony website even notes (pun intended) it's been used in Hollywood at 20th Century Fox....hmmmm.

https://www.celemony.com/en/capstan

The demonstration is remarkable.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

"Capstan from Celemony"

This, of course, was the sequel to Capstan from Castile.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

Two decades ago, cues would get summarily rejected from an assembly if they didn't sound good on the first listen. As you know, FSM often included "damaged" cues at the end, which was one solution but not ideal. Now we can micro-surgically go in and figure out what the problem is and how to get the material to the point where it's presentable. In this case it was not just wow, but also balance issues, drop-outs and optical noise, all of which can be dealt with using a variety of digital repair tools.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Awesome.

Franz Waxman's Prince Valiant was another one from that FSM era, which did as you described and relegated the wow-affected cues to the end. I now have renewed hope that we might get an improved version of that wonderful Golden Age score, too...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Seeing as these are the days of impossible things happening - my other great wish is that we would see expanded versions of two Friedhofer scores -
Soldier of fortune
In Love and War.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

Seeing as these are the days of impossible things happening - my other great wish is that we would see expanded versions of two Friedhofer scores -
Soldier of fortune
In Love and War.


Amen to that! However I remember the liner notes from the FSM release stating that a good portion of Soldier Of Fortune was very badly damaged. Even with the vast improvements in restoration technology I rather doubt that it can be expanded...but I’m all set to be told different!

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

This thing with Capstan, by way of analogy, reminds me a what happened with under-cranked silent movies from around 1915 and that era. The only way to show them was to speed them up, so there would be enough frames per second to look like continuous motion. But that meant people on film with speedy, jerky walks and so on. The speediness even became a comic trope for a while, with cane-wielding Charlie Chaplin impersonators doing "the walk" in real time.

Now they have CGI software that creates the missing frames and adds them into the old silent films, so they can be shown at natural speed and with the appearance of smooth, continuous motion rather than flickering.

The point is, we spent most of our lives thinking some audio and visual problems could never fixed, and we were wrong.



 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I'd love them to use it on Lorne Balfe scores!!!

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

The Capstan technology has been available for several years. It's been discussed before here, ages ago, but I don't recall the thread/s.
It would be interesting to know which soundtracks have already been the subject of the Capstan process. Any?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

Now they have CGI software that creates the missing frames and adds them into the old silent films, so they can be shown at natural speed and with the appearance of smooth, continuous motion rather than flickering.

The point is, we spent most of our lives thinking some audio and visual problems could never fixed, and we were wrong.


The problem is, in certain cases, you can’t get blood out of a stone or rather music from a pile dust...

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah, 100% sign me up for any more Friedhofer than can now be rescued that couldn't before. smile

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

It would be interesting to know which soundtracks have already been the subject of the Capstan process. Any?

Since Herrmann's White Witch Doctor wasn't possible prior to 2010, this maybe was one of the earliest beneficiaries of newer technology?
The expansions on Kritzerland of Newman's David and Bathsheba and Friedhofer's The Rains of Ranchipur are also, I think, specimens under this category.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Anything Chris works on, I think, and I'm sure it's been used on a lot of stuff.

 
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