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 Posted:   Aug 20, 2019 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Of the 8 composers who wrote music for ST episodes [Courage, Duning, Fielding, Fried, S. Kaplan, Matlovsky, Mullendore, F. Steiner], only one of them (Courage) appears on this list below:

NOTES ON MUSIC MEETING – 12/8/64
1 – Jerry Goldsmith – Not Available.
2 – Elmer Bernstein – Interested – likes pilot – wants to read script. Wilber sending
script to Bernstein.
3 – Harry Sukman – MGM – Available.
4 – Les Baxter – Available – Wilbur Hatch reluctant to recommend.
5 – Dominic Tronteri [sic, Dominic Frontiere] – Available.
6 – Franz Waxman – Available.
7 – Sy Coleman [sic, Cy Coleman] – Suggested by Oscar Katz – Wilbur checking him
out.
8 – Alexander Courage – Young composer – up and coming.
9 – Hugo Friedholder [sic, Hugo Friedhofer] – Did some of the original music on
Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
10 – David Raxton [sic, David Raskin] – Wrote Laura. Works closely with the
producer.
11 – Johnny Green – Would love to do a series. Did music for Empire.
12 – Leith Stevens – Doing Novack – Did the last few shows for Empire. Scored a
feature with a Science Fiction theme.
13 – Johnny Williams – Did Checkmate – Presently doing music for “Baby Makes
Three” pilot for Bing Crosby Prods.
14 – Jack Elliott – Suggested by Oscar Katz – Feels that he has great potential.
Wilbur checking him out.
15 – Wilbur Hatch checking out the composer of “The Man from Iphania”
16 – Will Markowitz [sic, Richard Markowitz] – Wilbur checking him out.
17 – Lalo Schiffrin [sic, Lalo Schifrin] – Recommended by Wilbur Hatch and Herb
Solow – Wilbur checking him out.
18 – Nathan Van Cleave – Wilbur checking him out.

Which composer would you select? (excluding Goldsmith and Courage, that is)

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2019 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

Schifrin. Although it'd be interesting had Waxman been hired.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2019 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

That is a terrific list. First I'd pick Elmer Bernstein. Would also like to hear what Friedhofer would compose.

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2019 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Schifrin. Although it'd be interesting had Waxman been hired.

I think the only Waxman of that era was the TZ episode where he was basically required to mimic a classic Golden Age score...t

Too bad because he was one of the few Gokden Agers who could write ' modern'.

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2019 - 9:34 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Bernstein for me. He didn't work much in science fiction -- but his sci-fi scores are among the best.

He also should have scored Star Trek IV.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

It's kind of difficult to imagine what TREK would have sounded like if some of those on the list had been chosen. So I'm not choosing anyone in particular (thus neatly avoiding the question). I suppose since my favourite composers in general include Schifrin, Friedhofer and Leith Stevens, I'd go for them first... but imagine if Cy Coleman or Johnny Green had actually worked on the series. We'd probably be saying now that their scores are among our favourites on the alternative universe 15-CD La-La Land box set.

I'm glad I wasn't influential at that December '64 meeting. As a three-year-old I'd have changed the course of history by choosing the "wrong" ones. However, had I actually been an influential three-year-old executive at that meeting, and changed history, nobody would notice today, because we will never know the changes in history caused by that butterfly fluttering away in Malaysia.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 1:59 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

Well, they did choose a "young up and coming" composer. The rest is history! smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

They should have asked Julia Perry!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Well, they did choose a "young up and coming" composer. The rest is history! smile

He seems like an unlikely choice unless Gene was hiring by price and Courage was asking the least money. I'm not sure Courage was as distinctly different as, for example, Markowitz was from Tiomkin for WWWest. Maybe his orchestral skills made an impression. And thank god for the unmentioned Fred Steiner.

Back around that time, The Breaking Point (1963-4) series had a nice list of composers:
Richard Markowitz ... (2 episodes, 1963-1964)
Walter Scharf ... (2 episodes, 1963-1964)
Jerry Goldsmith ... (2 episodes, 1964)
Van Alexander ... (1 episode, 1963)
John Carisi ... (1 episode, 1963)
Gerald Fried ... (1 episode, 1963)
Hugo Friedhofer ... (1 episode, 1963)
David Raksin ... (1 episode, 1963)
Morton Stevens ... (1 episode, 1963)
George Duning ... (1 episode, 1964)
John Williams ... (1 episode, 1964)

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

He seems like an unlikely choice unless Gene was hiring by price and Courage was asking the least money.


If that's what happened, then the angels or divine providence got involved, because the Courage fanfare alone has been a defining element of the franchise. His episode scores and library cues were also seminal, providing ideas that the other composers riffed on in their ST scores.

Much as I wonder what John Williams would have produced if he had done "The Cage," I would not be willing to trade.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Much as I wonder what John Williams would have produced if he had done "The Cage," I would not be willing to trade.

He might have done The Cage but he couldn't have done Where No Man Has Gone Before! (Well, he COULD have but it would have been so different.)

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

In retrospect John Williams of course, assuming he would bring a classical style of writing to the series.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   JEC   (Member)

I don't see Vic Mizzy on that list. But according to his biography:

The Addams Family led to further work for NBC on several other series, including Mizzy's second signature theme song, that of Green Acres; additionally, Mizzy's use of a theremin on his theme for The 13th Gate led Gene Roddenberry to approach him about scoring a new science fiction series called Star Trek -- an assignment Mizzy turned down because he was too busy.

https://www.allmusic.com/artist/victor-mizzy-mn0000205582/biography

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

In retrospect John Williams of course, assuming he would bring a classical style of writing to the series.

Not quite sure what "a classical style of writing" means here. We can only speculate of course, but I can't imagine a JW score for Star Trek sounding much different from his other TV work of the '60s, especially the Irwin Allen shows.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I'd actually like to have heard what Leith Stevens would have done.

I love the notation about Les Baxter--"Wilbur Hatch reluctant to recommend." There's a great story about Baxter in the biography of Nelson Riddle where Riddle talks about how Baxter was notorious for hiring ghost writers to write everything and then claiming credit for it, as he had with Riddle's arrangement of "Mona Lisa" which Baxter had hired Riddle to write. According to Riddle, when referring to Baxter, composers he knew would often say, "The Les Baxter the better."
There's also a great story about how Baxter heard all the hot young composers were studying under Mario Castelnuovo-Tedesco and signed up to take classes from him. Tedesco apparently had to drop Baxter from the class because he recognized another student's handwriting on one of Baxter's assignments--Baxter was having his own class assignments ghostwritten. smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Anybody been able to identify "The Man from Iphania"?

I looked, found no film by that name. Then I did a quick search on Iphania and the word "film", but came up empty. I also tried ASCAP and BMI. Then, as a last resort, I tried Google Books, thinking this was the original name of a film that changed names (you can find that sometimes in old articles).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Anybody been able to identify "The Man from Iphania"?

I looked, found no film by that name. Then I did a quick search on Iphania and the word "film", but came up empty. I also tried ASCAP and BMI. Then, as a last resort, I tried Google Books, thinking this was the original name of a film that changed names (you can find that sometimes in old articles).


Zardoz spoketh on another thread that it might be Antonio Carlos Jobim, the title referring to his song "The Girl From Ipanema". I wonder why Jobim would have been on their radar, if it was him.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Roy Budd was originally going to score that film (I don't know if he did anything), so it would be more reasonable if it was him.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Roy Budd was originally going to score that film (I don't know if he did anything), so it would be more reasonable if it was him.

What film's that then?

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

"Girl of Ipanema" (1967), maybe still not finished (since it came out in 1967) or maybe it was shelved for a bit and out later.

 
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