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 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I'm starting to see stuff that's in standard definition released on the Blu Ray discs. To clarify it says "Standard Definition on Blu Ray". Whats the point? Stuff I'm seeing are animation and anime titles.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I'm starting to see stuff that's in standard definition released on the Blu Ray discs. To clarify it says "Standard Definition on Blu Ray". Whats the point? Stuff I'm seeing are animation and anime titles.


I think the point may have been to relieve us of our cash in a more efficient fashion.
I still have not pulled the trigger on a Blu player and I don't think I will.
It has not turned out to be quite the savior of the visual arts that it boasted.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'm starting to see stuff that's in standard definition released on the Blu Ray discs. To clarify it says "Standard Definition on Blu Ray". Whats the point? Stuff I'm seeing are animation and anime titles.

Possibly to reduce overall costs by using fewer discs which requires less packaging, shipping.
Discs are just memory devices, not inherently dedicated to audio/video formats. For example, HD (high definition) movies/shows on blu-ray often have bonus video features in SD (standard definition), probably because it's considered unnecessary to upgrade the video.
Blu discs hold about 6 times the amount of data as dvds. Blu hold 25-50 GB, DVDs hold 4-8 GB.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Savior of the visual arts?
Never heard anyone claim that about blurays

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Savior of the visual arts?
Never heard anyone claim that about blurays



Well, however one wants to phrase it, the fact is that when Blu came out they touted the format as being so far superior to DVD as to leave DVD in the dust.
Then the complaints about playback failure due to firmware issues started to become more common.
And that's when I started to think, "Umm....", which lead to my flowery prose

I appreciate the fact that the players are backwards-compatible, but the added storage capacity and increased resolution are not game-changers to me when they are putting standard-def programming on the discs.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Possibly a little known fact: dvd discs and blu discs require different lasers to play them. Blu-ray players need 2 different lasers in order to play each type of disc, so "dual compatibility" might be a more apt description than "backwards compatible." This also means that if one laser breaks, the other laser might still work for the other type.

As my vision gets weaker, the HD material offers some compensation. It does make a difference, at least on my relatively small 32" HD TV. On the other hand, if the blu-ray comes with a dvd, both will be from a new high-def master, so the dvd will look almost as good. Although there might be some upscaling help being done by the unit. My point is they could make better looking dvds by making better transfers. Or use dvd discs to store HD video. The problem then is a dvd players don't have the software to play them.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


Well, however one wants to phrase it, the fact is that when Blu came out they touted the format as being so far superior to DVD as to leave DVD in the dust.
Then the complaints about playback failure due to firmware issues started to become more common.


Bluray obviously and very easily leaves DVD in the dust when it comes to video/audio quality and even people not concerned with these things can easily spot the difference between a Bluray and a DVD.
Maybe I was fortunate to never hear of the complaints you mentioned concerning Blu before I upgraded, because in all the years since I never experienced these issues. Of course, one may argue if in the times of fibre cable optical streaming physical media is still needed, and I'd agree, but there is no way I'd ever go back and be satisfied with DVD and or VHS picture/sound quality.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Maybe I was fortunate to never hear of the complaints you mentioned concerning Blu before I upgraded, because in all the years since I never experienced these issues.


It's been discussed on this very discussion board.
If there are folks who never had glitchy machine, great. But the problems do exist.
I guess sometimes you get a lemon, sometimes you get a peach.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 4:49 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Maybe I was fortunate to never hear of the complaints you mentioned concerning Blu before I upgraded, because in all the years since I never experienced these issues.

If there are folks who never had glitchy machine, great. But the problems do exist.
I guess sometimes you get a lemon, sometimes you get a peach.


I got four lemons. Four Blu-Ray players and not one of them could play more than two discs before needing firmware updates. I threw in the towel and went back to DVD.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Back to solium's question, I think blu-ray media is being used for SD video simply because it holds more than dvd media. Unless someone else has a more likely reason.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2019 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Back to solium's question, I think blu-ray media is being used for SD video simply because it holds more than dvd media. Unless someone else has a more likely reason.


It also makes sense that a company would not sink any money into a HD transfer unless the result was a going to yield a huge profit.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2019 - 3:42 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Maybe I was fortunate to never hear of the complaints you mentioned concerning Blu before I upgraded, because in all the years since I never experienced these issues.


It's been discussed on this very discussion board.
If there are folks who never had glitchy machine, great. But the problems do exist.
I guess sometimes you get a lemon, sometimes you get a peach.


Of course, these problems apparently do exist, why else would people discuss them here. As I said, I was apparently fortunate enough to never heard of them before buying a bluray player, and never having experienced any issues with my bluray player. Blurays are more sensitive to scratches and fingerprints than DVDs or CDs are, though, but I never had a scratched Bluray either.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2019 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I'll have to take notice of what titles I saw on Blu Ray. Perhaps it is a storage issue. I don't recall if they were 2hr movies or complete series.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2019 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'll have to take notice of what titles I saw on Blu Ray. Perhaps it is a storage issue. I don't recall if they were 2hr movies or complete series.

If the reason isn't to take advantage of the 6x extra storage capacity, the other reason is probably equipment compatibility. As time goes on, blu-ray players (which includes some video game units) might not include a dvd laser to play dvds. I doubt they're trying to commit fraud, but it probably doesn't hurt if some consumers are misled to think the material is high-def.
I would think you'd have noticed if they put 6 dvds worth on a single blu disc. If that's not the case, you should google the specific releases and check consumer comments, assuming you're seriously interested.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2019 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The only reason I bought a player ( an old one) is because many new releases of older titles are only available in HD.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2019 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Savior of the visual arts?
Never heard anyone claim that about blurays



Well, however one wants to phrase it, the fact is that when Blu came out they touted the format as being so far superior to DVD as to leave DVD in the dust.
Then the complaints about playback failure due to firmware issues started to become more common.
And that's when I started to think, "Umm....", which lead to my flowery prose

I appreciate the fact that the players are backwards-compatible, but the added storage capacity and increased resolution are not game-changers to me when they are putting standard-def programming on the discs.


Bluray is factually a superior storage format to DVD, both in terms of sound and visual data. Now, just like a CD, you can of course put crappy content on it. Logically, the better and more refined the film content the more the bluray shows it off. Now 4k is an even further upgrade. But yes, there are many shows and films that do not really benefit at all from a bluray, it shows no improvement, because they were filmed in low resolutions equal to something less than 1080P.

 
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