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 Posted:   Jul 14, 2019 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

Was watching the old Warner Bros. cartoon, "This Is A Life?" earlier today, and it struck me just how similar the Bugs / Daffy dynamic is to what the relationship between Williams and Goldsmith must have been like over the years (if you cranked it up to 11 and exaggerated all the personality traits). The cartoon has it all:

Daffy being passed over for Bugs at an awards ceremony

Bugs going on and on with over the top modesty

Seething resentment on Daffy's part

The host / public fawning all over Bugs while Daffy gets ignored

Of course, my understanding is that Williams and Goldsmith were at least friendly if not good friends. But it still strikes as a true-in-spirit (if exaggerated) summation of their personality traits and rivalry. Be curious if anyone else has the same take.

Google the cartoon and watch it with the above in mind, and see if you don't agree. At the very least, you will only be out 6 or 7 minutes watching one of the all time great Warner Bros cartoons smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2019 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

WHAT??? No one saw fit to offer any thoughts on my BRILLIANT observation about how Bugs and Daffy are just like Williams and Goldsmith?

Perhaps I should have posted the link to the cartoon:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x34axsv

As my good friend Mike said:

"Bugs n Daffy - the Gold Standard of Character Animation. Williams n Goldsmith - the Gold Standard of Film Music.

I wonder how much dynamite Jerry shipped over to John Williams house over the years."


 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2019 - 8:48 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I'd watch the cartoon (again, after these many years) if I wasn't behind a firewall at work. And I think Williams and Goldsmith are a pretty big deal, especially when taken together. They were still young men, but already considered brilliant, when I discovered film music.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2019 - 9:16 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Was watching the old Warner Bros. cartoon, "This Is A Life?" earlier today, and it struck me just how similar the Bugs / Daffy dynamic is to what the relationship between Williams and Goldsmith must have been like over the years (if you cranked it up to 11 and exaggerated all the personality traits). The cartoon has it all:

    Daffy being passed over for Bugs at an awards ceremony

    Bugs going on and on with over the top modesty

    Seething resentment on Daffy's part

    The host / public fawning all over Bugs while Daffy gets ignored

    Of course, my understanding is that Williams and Goldsmith were at least friendly if not good friends. But it still strikes as a true-in-spirit (if exaggerated) summation of their personality traits and rivalry. Be curious if anyone else has the same take.

    Google the cartoon and watch it with the above in mind, and see if you don't agree. At the very least, you will only be out 6 or 7 minutes watching one of the all time great Warner Bros cartoons smile


    The King had seething resentment over The Towner?

    What about that time when he went Planet of the Apeshit over Ridley Scott using Tangerine Dream?

    "... AND I'VE NEVER BEEN SO HUMILIATED IN ALL MY LIFE!" -- Jerry Goldsmith

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     Posted:   Jul 19, 2019 - 11:34 PM   
     By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

    I love both Williams and Goldsmith, so not meant to be disrespectful at all. I just gotta think there were times Goldsmith was sitting in the audience at the Oscars thinking:



    Especially at the 1980 awards ceremony...

    (ST:TMP)

     
     Posted:   Jul 20, 2019 - 10:48 AM   
     By:   jkruppa   (Member)

    I love both Williams and Goldsmith, so not meant to be disrespectful at all. I just gotta think there were times Goldsmith was sitting in the audience at the Oscars thinking:



    Especially at the 1980 awards ceremony...

    (ST:TMP)


    But Williams wasn't even nominated that year (agreed that Delerue's win over Goldsmith was a head scratcher, though).

     
     Posted:   Jul 20, 2019 - 11:23 AM   
     By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • I love both Williams and Goldsmith, so not meant to be disrespectful at all. I just gotta think there were times Goldsmith was sitting in the audience at the Oscars thinking:



    Especially at the 1980 awards ceremony...

    (ST:TMP)


    But if JerrBear really wanted to score E.T., then Daffy's reaction would be appropriate.

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     Posted:   Jul 20, 2019 - 5:53 PM   
     By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

    WHAT??? No one saw fit to offer any thoughts on my BRILLIANT observation about how Bugs and Daffy are just like Williams and Goldsmith?



    Doesn't work for me because Goldsmith never spewed spittle while talking. smile

     
     Posted:   Jul 20, 2019 - 6:17 PM   
     By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

    I love both Williams and Goldsmith, so not meant to be disrespectful at all. I just gotta think there were times Goldsmith was sitting in the audience at the Oscars thinking:



    Especially at the 1980 awards ceremony...

    (ST:TMP)


    But Williams wasn't even nominated that year (agreed that Delerue's win over Goldsmith was a head scratcher, though).


    Right, so 1975 and 1983, then.

    Just taking note of the rumor that ST-TMP was the one time where Jerry was particularly perturbed that he didn't win (even if Williams was not nominated).

     
     Posted:   Jul 20, 2019 - 6:18 PM   
     By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

    WHAT??? No one saw fit to offer any thoughts on my BRILLIANT observation about how Bugs and Daffy are just like Williams and Goldsmith?



    Doesn't work for me because Goldsmith never spewed spittle while talking. smile


    Except perhaps when talking about Lukas Kendall. But we were not there to witness that. smile

     
     Posted:   Jul 25, 2019 - 7:56 PM   
     By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

    I also never saw Bugs smoking a cigar, like Williams does. smile

     
     Posted:   Jul 26, 2019 - 3:51 AM   
     By:   Gunnar   (Member)

    His love for carrots comes pretty close, though.

     
     Posted:   Jul 26, 2019 - 5:34 AM   
     By:   jackfu   (Member)

    Somehow I missed this until now - guess I spend most of my time here on the other side of the board being a wiseacre.

    If it's any consolation, John, you have my vote for post/thread of the year!

    Thank you for brightening my day!

    smile

     
     Posted:   Jul 26, 2019 - 12:46 PM   
     By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

    Somehow I missed this until now - guess I spend most of my time here on the other side of the board being a wiseacre.

    If it's any consolation, John, you have my vote for post/thread of the year!

    Thank you for brightening my day!

    smile


    Somebody gets me! smile

    I'd put a crying face emoji up, but that doesn't seem to be an option.

     
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