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 Posted:   Jul 10, 2019 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

This was the second best suggestion I saw someone make in the "Speculation for later 2019 LLL releases" thread, after From the Earth to the Moon (which still seems likely because Tuesday is the Apollo 11 anniversary...that would just be a huge coincidence!)

But whether or not LLL already has it in the works for the 60th anniversary, a definitive new Twilight Zone box set would make a lot of sense. The previous TZ releases (including the 4 disc Silva box) were incomplete. I know that two Goldsmith TZ scores were left off entirely ("Nightmare as a Child" and "The Four of Us Are Dying", both only available with dialogue-bleed on the iso score tracks), plus a couple short cues from "The Big Tall Wish" and maybe some other things like the correct composite "The Image" cue from "Nervous Man in a $4 Room" (and the finale cue from that score is at an improper speed/pitch as well, except on the iso score track where again it has dialogue bleed instead). For those who are curious to hear the unreleased music, check out the Goldsmith Odyssey podcast episodes on them here where we play them:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/751831-episode-9-the-twilight-zone-the-four-of-us-are-dying-the-big-tall-wish-1960
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/766316-episode-10-the-twilight-zone-nightmare-as-a-child-nervous-man-in-a-four-dollar-room-1960

Oh, I just remembered...the very first brief cue from "Dust" is also unreleased, as we discuss here:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1210706-episode-19-the-twilight-zone-dust-1961

And "Back There" on album doesn't execute the intended key crossfade between two important cues which accompany the time travel element of the program. It may not sound like much but it's a significant oversight considering it's perhaps the greatest musical moment of the score and it doesn't play on album as Goldsmith intended!
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1305991-episode-20-the-twilight-zone-back-there-1961

And that's just what I know about Goldsmith because I've really dug into his work on the series for The Goldsmith Odyssey. I feel certain there are other TZ scores (or individual cues) left off, by the other talented composers who worked on the show. (Does anyone have info on what other TZ scores are fully or even partially unreleased, besides the Goldsmiths I mentioned?)

Personally even with the previously-released music I'd like to have an official release with the scores separated out into cues (like LLL's Planet of the Apes TV series release) rather than lumped together with single 10+ minute tracks mushing the entire episode scores together.

There are also some cool bonuses that could be included on a mega-set, when it comes to Goldsmith, such as full releases of the scores that were labeled as "Jazz Theme #1" (his score for the Man on the Beach pilot episode that never went to series, "Saturday Night in Santa Monica") and "Jazz Theme #2" (his score for the Studio One episode "The Fair-Haired Boy") and which were included on the Silva set without their real titles, and in incomplete form. There is some important unreleased music from both of these, as you can discover again on our Goldsmith Odyssey coverage of the scores:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/779305-episode-11-man-on-the-beach-1959-the-fair-haired-boy-1958

I personally think it would be a nice excuse to also include Goldsmith's totally-unreleased* score for another unsold pilot, The Sergeant and the Lady. This would have been his very first original TV theme, back in 1958, if it had gone to series...and personally I really dig the whole score, more than Man on the Beach. The whole score is less than 7 minutes long and would be a great inclusion for Goldsmith fans, since it was also used here in there in The Twilight Zone. Here it is if you're interested to hear some (second half of this podcast):
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/723107-episode-7-peck-s-bad-girl-1959-the-sergeant-and-the-lady-1958

*except a bit on ancient TransWorld transcription 78s, and some brief fragments on TZ isolated scores because they were tracked into a couple episodes as library music

Finally, a definitive Twilight Zone box set (if on the scale of the one LLL did for Lost in Space) could be also a good (I'd say the best!) excuse to release *all* of the "wild" CBS music library contributions, from the most famous composers who contributed to it like Herrmann and yes, Goldsmith. Many famous and beloved TZ episodes such as "To Serve Man" prominently used cues by these composers, sometimes fragmented and stitched together, but recognizable enough as "Twilight Zone music" that their inclusion here would probably make more sense than on a release for any other CBS show that might have used them but which would certainly have less sales appeal for a box set of this size, today. Learn more about (and hear, from TZ iso score tracks and Ron Burbella's TransWorld 78s source) *this* music in our two-part podcast coverage, here:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/797224-episode-12-cbs-music-library-spectacular-part-1
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/812543-episode-13-cbs-music-library-spectacular-part-2

So...who else is with me in being excited at the prospect of a big definitive box set for the original Twilight Zone? wink

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2019 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

YES, YES, YES! Of course I would be excited. If this ever did happen, I know it would be on the high price of my budget but I would still find a way to buy it. Like the Harry Potter set it will only be a matter of time that it would be on my shelf. Then I can finally give away my homemade copy with custom made artwork to a friend of mine. Bring It! Let that wondrous journey of imagination seep through our eardrums.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2019 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

(Does anyone have info on what other TZ scores are fully or even partially unreleased, besides the Goldsmiths I mentioned?)


I would think TZ fans already know this, Yavar, but I don't think any of the original recordings for TZ's 4th & 5th seasons have ever been issued onto disc.

Herrmann's 2 scores for the 5th season were digitally recorded, but none of the original tracks (by any composer) are on disc.

A French vinyl EP was issued (around '63) featuring Henri Lanoe's music for "An Occurance on Owl Creek Bridge", but this, or course, was not written for TZ.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2019 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   gmontag451   (Member)

Like the Star Trek original series box, I’d place my order for a classic TZ box without hesitation!

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2019 - 5:41 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

The Moradi Investigations

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2019 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

TBH
I would like to see the UN released music released.

I have the 40th set ( and the McNeely) so don't really need a complete box.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2019 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It's been mentioned over the years...but is it financially feasible at this point with probably only 100 customers and institutions willing to buy it?
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=2&threadID=69246&archive=0
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=111384&archive=0
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=102710&forumID=1&archive=0
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=113803&forumID=1&archive=0
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=69246&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2019 - 9:59 PM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

This was the second best suggestion I saw someone make in the "Speculation for later 2019 LLL releases" thread, after From the Earth to the Moon (which still seems likely because Tuesday is the Apollo 11 anniversary...that would just be a huge coincidence!)

Count me in. I'm still looking for the complete original recordings by Herrmann from TZ.
Silva omitted my single favorite score “Eye of the Beholder”. The re-recording by McNeely ruined the tempo.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2019 - 11:05 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

This is a thing I've been thinking about for years. Here's how I'd program the set... (unreleased on cd scores denoed with asterisk)

BOX 1 (1959-1960)

Disc 1 All tracks Hermann:

Intro (Westbrook van Vorhis Pilot Version)*
Twilight Zone Theme (long version)
Where is Everybody?
Intro (alternate)
The Lonely
Walking Distance
End Credits (Long Version)

Disc 2:

Rod Intro (Version 1)*
Twilight Zone Theme (short version)*
And When The Sky Was Opened (Rosenman)
The Sixteen Millimeter Shrine (Waxman)
Time Enough at Last (Stevens, may be lost)*
Twilight Zone end credits (short version)*
CBS Production card (Gluskin?)*

Disc 3 (Van Cleave):

Perchance to Dream
What You Need*
Elegy
A World of Difference

Disc 4 (Goldsmith):

The Four of Us Are Dying*
The Big Tall Wish
Nightmare as a Child

Disc 5:

The Purple Testament (Morriweck)*
The Monsters are Due on Maple Street (Garrigeunc)*
A Stop at Willoughby (Scott)
A Passage for Trumpet (Murray)*

Disc 6:

Rod Intro (big eye version 2)
Stock music and library cues

BOX 2 (1960-1961)

Disc 7:

Rod Intro (season 2, original version)*
Etrange #3, Milieu #2 (Constant)
King Nine Will Not Return (Steiner)
The Trouble with Templeton (Alexander)
Eye of the Beholder (Herrman)*
Entrange #3/Milieu #1 (Constant)
CBS Production Card

Disc 8 (Goldsmith):

Rod Intro (revised version)
Nervous Man in a Four Dollar Room
Dust
Back There
The Invaders

Disc 9:

A Hundered Yards Over The Rim (Steiner)
Marius Constant Library Cues (Etrange, Kant, Milieu, Tarn, Menton, A-Story, F-Story, etc.)*
Stock music and library cues
Unused theme music

BONUS DISC:
Marty Manning concept album

BOX 3 (1961-1962)

Disc 10:

Rod Intro (Season 3 V 1)
Two (Van Cleave)
The Midnight Sun (Van Cleave)*
The Passersby (Steiner)

Disc 11:

Still Valley (Hatch)*
The Hunt (Drasnin)*
The Last Rites of Jeff Myrtlebank (Morgan)*
Once Upon a Time (Lava)*
Young Mans Fancy (Scott)*

Disc 12:

Rod Intro (Season 3 V 2)*
Entrange #3/Milieu #2 (Hermann arranged version)*
Little Girl Lost (Hermann)*
I Sing The Body Electric (MONO VERSION, Van Cleave)*
Hocus Pocus and Frisby (Morgan)*
The Gift (Almeida)*
Entrange #3/Milieu #1 (Hermann arrangement, unedited version)*

Disc 13:

I Sing The Body Electric (STEREO VERSION)
"Punctuation Showcase" (Van Cleave)*
"Serling" (Drasnin)*
Additional Stock cues
Entrange #3/Milieu #1 (Hermann arrangement, on-air version)*
CBS Production Card*

BOX 4 (1963):

Disc 14 (Steiner):

Rod Intro (Season 4 and 5)
Mute*
Miniature*

Disc 15:

Jess-Belle (Van Cleave)*
Passage on the Lady Anne (Garrigeunc)*

Disc 16 (Steiner):

I Dream of Genie *
The Bard*

Disc 17:

Stock and Alternates

BOX 5 (1963-1964)

Disc 18:

Steel (Van Cleave)*
A Kind of Stopwatch (Van Cleave)*
In Praise of Pip (Garrigeunc)*
Spur of the Moment (Garrigeunc)*

Disc 19:

Living Doll (Hermann)*
Ninety Years Without Slumbering (Hermann)*
From Agnes With Love (Possibly lost, Van Cleave)*
Black Leather Jackets (Possibly lost, Van Cleave)*

Disc 20:

Queen of the Nile (Moraweck)*
Ceasar and Me (Possibly lost, Shores)*
Mr. Garrity and The Graves (Possibly lost, Morgan)*
Come Wander With Me (Alexander)*

Disc 21:

Le Rive de Hibou (Lanoe)
Stock

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2019 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

This is a thing I've been thinking about for years. Here's how I'd program the set... (unreleased on cd scores denoed with asterisk)

Disc 1 All tracks Hermann:

Intro (Westbrook van Vorhis Pilot Version)*
Twilight Zone Theme (long version)
Where is Everybody?
Intro (alternate)
The Lonely
Walking Distance
End Credits (Long Version)

Disc 2:

Rod Intro (Version 1)*
Twilight Zone Theme (short version)*
And When The Sky Was Opened (Rosenman)
The Sixteen Millimeter Shrine (Waxman)
Time Enough at Last (Stevens, may be lost)*
Twilight Zone end credits (short version)*
CBS Production card (Gluskin?)*

Disc 3 (Van Cleave):

Perchance to Dream
What You Need*
Elegy
A World of Difference

Disc 4 (Goldsmith):

The Four of Us Are Dying*
The Big Tall Wish
Nightmare as a Child

Disc 5:

The Purple Testament (Morriweck)*
The Monsters are Due on Maple Street (Garrigeunc)*
A Stop at Willoughby (Scott)
A Passage for Trumpet (Murray)*

Disc 6:

Rod Intro (big eye version 2)
Stock music and library cues

Disc 7:

Rod Intro (season 2, original version)*
Etrange #3, Milieu #2 (Constant)
King Nine Will Not Return (Steiner)
The Trouble with Templeton (Alexander)
Eye of the Beholder (Herrman)*
Entrange #3/Milieu #1 (Constant)
CBS Production Card

Disc 8 (Goldsmith):

Rod Intro (revised version)
Nervous Man in a Four Dollar Room
Dust
Back There
The Invaders

Disc 9:

A Hundered Yards Over The Rim (Steiner)
Stock music and library cues

Updating soon.


Excellent. I will order that set on the spot!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2019 - 5:57 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Etrange #3, Milieu #2 (Constant)

Are these the full-length pieces from which the opening theme was drawn?

I would love a box set like this, but I would absolutely want Constant's full piece(s) included.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2019 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Box sets aside, at least the music as heard in the episodes is on the dvd and blu-ray, including Herrmann episodes like "Talking Doll" and “Eye of the Beholder.” And there's a cd's worth of cues on the EZ Cue library. Unfortunately some Goldsmith stock cues were only issued on the problematic Transworld Records, but maybe the original tapes are somewhere.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2019 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Etrange #3, Milieu #2 (Constant)

Are these the full-length pieces from which the opening theme was drawn?

I would love a box set like this, but I would absolutely want Constant's full piece(s) included.


The raw library tracks would be on Disc 9.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2019 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

A lot of the problem, as I see it, is getting the raw tapes out of UCLA which CBS donated their catalog to in the 80s. On the dvds and blu-rays, Image just skirted around this by using the music track from the 35mm mag stems. However in several cases confined to Season 1 and 5, the mags are apparently lost. So to get these scores they'd have to go back to the tapes, if they still exist.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2019 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

...I personally think it would be a nice excuse to also include Goldsmith's totally-unreleased* score for another unsold pilot, The Sergeant and the Lady. This would have been his very first original TV theme, back in 1958, if it had gone to series...and personally I really dig the whole score, more than Man on the Beach. The whole score is less than 7 minutes long and would be a great inclusion for Goldsmith fans, since it was also used here in there in The Twilight Zone. ... a definitive Twilight Zone box set (if on the scale of the one LLL did for Lost in Space) could be also a good (I'd say the best!) excuse to release *all* of the "wild" CBS music library contributions, from the most famous composers who contributed to it like Herrmann and yes, Goldsmith. Many famous and beloved TZ episodes such as "To Serve Man" prominently used cues by these composers, sometimes fragmented and stitched together, but recognizable enough as "Twilight Zone music" that their inclusion here would probably make more sense than on a release for any other CBS show that might have used them but which would certainly have less sales appeal for a box set of this size, today.

I'm with you, but if the library music is to be included, a single set could outscale even the Star Trek 15 CD set. Because it's an anthology show, the composers might be more of a selling point factor with Twilight Zone, the works being more distinctive to them than the series. The situation with Zone is a little different from a show with more singular world, like Trek and Lost in Space. It lends to the music not needing to be presented chronologically by episode.

It might be good to release the first two sets as Herrmann in The Twilight Zone, with all of his scores, and all of his CBS Library music, and other nearby goodies; then Goldsmith in The Twilight Zone, with his scores complete and more accurate, as you've cited, and with all of his wild cues from the library. In such an arrangement, it might be easier, to say nothing of more appealing, for the producers to include all of that extra music from the time, the wild cues and pilot scores (that would be, what, 3-4 discs for Jerry?).

Then a final set could be made with the remaining composers' works, both for Zone and those composers' wild cues, as collected together by artist as can be done well, Music from The Twilight Zone vol. 3.

Basically, I'm affirming the arrangement of that 4CD set from Silva, which I thought was pretty well thought out.

Also, I have the learning experience of a sad relationship with the Trek box, in that I've been kind of on the fence, if more in favor of getting it, enough that it wasn't something I was going to save up for, then in those times when I have seriously considered having it, I just couldn't afford it. I came close last month during the sale, but it wasn't possible, and it looks like it's now going to be one I'll simply miss out on. However over its years of availability, when those times have hit that I was shopping for music, I think I certainly would have bought each of the three seasons' sets by now, if they had existed that way. Three $75 purchases is just easier to manage than the $225 (even the $170 last month, though I was really close to taking that plunge).

So there's self-interest in this idea, but I'm more behind the case above than the money issue for making sets more composer organized than season or episode organized.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2019 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

The Lichty Temptation


( go for it next sale! smile )

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2019 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

The Lichty Temptation


( go for it next sale! smile )


Heh! I'd love to, but I'll wager it's gone by then. They do one a year, right? In June? That one's already on a countdown.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2019 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

The Lichty Temptation


( go for it next sale! smile )


Heh! I'd love to, but I'll wager it's gone by then. They do one a year, right? In June? That one's already on a countdown.


Labor Day
be there!

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2019 - 2:33 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

My 4-disc set is for sale:

TWILIGHT ZONE - 40th Anniversary 4 CD Set (Herrmann, Goldsmith etc. - Silva)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333091745448

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2019 - 3:56 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I have to be honest, I don't think I'd be up for a 'complete' box set.

Sometimes, that's too much.

I was very happy with the original five volumes issued by Varese Sarabande.

And, although I thought the Varese albums were much better in terms of packaging and sequencing, putting the music into more satisfying, not overlong listening programmes, I was also very happy with Silva Screen's box set and what that added.

I am certainly intrigued by Robert Townson's revelation in Yavar's interviews that he had planned to do a second Twilight Zone re-recording to follow up on the Herrmann set with a Goldsmith set. That's something I would have been in for.

Cheers

 
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