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 Posted:   May 26, 2019 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   zippy   (Member)

Stuart Margolin as Aimes Jainchill in Death Wish has a Lawman poster on the wall of his office. Some pretty keen work on the part of whomever chose it as set decoration. (Sure it's a Winner film, but the themes reflect each other as well)

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2019 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

why couldn't they include some of those cross-fade cues from the earlier album

while cross-fade are bad - this is a case where there is also seperate cues aivalable and 33 minuttes for a CD is just too short given the fact that todays life culture is a "use, then trash"-culture


Listening to the new CD and comparing to the previous edition there's a noticeable improvement in the sound (which was already very good on the previous edition).

I also wanted to check if any of the track assemblies from the previous album were worth recreating with the new one, but found it unecessary.

The tracks assembled in the previous edition were already in the same chronological order and the cross-fading, in fact, is minimal. i.e., in the previous edition the tracks were joined but with one track ending before the joined track started (with the exception of the previous edition track 8 [that mergers tracks 9 and 10 overlaping aprox. 5 seconds of the ending of track 9 with the start of 10]).

So really no actual advantage to reproduce in this version the previous joined tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2022 - 3:09 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)


Roger's answer is unfortunately inconclusive:
"For this release we decided to stick with the formal credit that is in the film. Whether Fielding actually actually conducted wasn't something we could firmly confirm."




Yet in the new CD TechTalk by Douglass Fake, he seems to contradict:
"The composer was far more interested in detailed, musically impassioned playing and less concerned with clinically sterile performances. As a result, a degree of room noise (players moving in chairs, instrument keys rattling, etc) is sometimes prominent. We felt it would be criminal to artificially remove all these sounds; instead we let Jerry Fielding's original performances speak today just as they did back in 1971".


Having just received the reissue, I cuncur with Razzle Bathbone. It does indeed seem to imply what I infer, which is the normal sequence of events. I know the difference. I'd bet half a pint of tap water (do they charge for that nowadays in British pubs?) that it's Fielding himself conducting, going on Douglass Fake's wording.

I've still to listen to it though. What am I doing here?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2022 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

Apropos this topic, on Facebook there's a page for Jerry Fielding Appreciation. A couple of years ago some good soul contributed a photograph that had originally appeared in Kinematograph Weekly at the time the film was being made. The pic showed Jerry Fielding, David Whitaker and Michael Winner together, and the caption below read, "Hollywood composer Jerry Fielding (left) has just completed his score for producer/director Michael Winner's western 'Lawman' at the CTS Studios. The orchestra was conducted by David Whitaker (centre). Michael Winner (right) directed 'Lawman' starring Burt Lancaster, Robert Ryan and Lee J. Cobb, on location in Mexico."

I would have lifted the photo and included it here, but for the life of me I still cannot figure out how to post pics on this board, sorry!

JMM.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2022 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

So would that have a been a Music Union kind of thing, as it was recorded in London?
Like what happened on ROBOCOP, when Howard Blake conducted, cos Basil Poledouris wasn't allowed to?

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2022 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Posting a photo is very easily. Upload the photo, follow the info' on the Special Code Legend you click on next to the text field box.

A photo hosting site (for example): postimages.org

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2022 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

So would that have a been a Music Union kind of thing, as it was recorded in London?
Like what happened on ROBOCOP, when Howard Blake conducted, cos Basil Poledouris wasn't allowed to?


Sorry, KeV, I'm as much in the dark about it as anybody, and as has been alluded to above, it's possible that JF really did conduct and that Mr Whitaker was there "in name only". Also, the Eady Plan was still in existence then, as tax relief was granted to films for using British artists and technicians. However, other of Michael Winner's films of the time were also recorded in London without the requirement of a UK-based music conductor, so the mystery remains...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2022 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

Posting a photo is very easily. Upload the photo, follow the info' on the Special Code Legend you click on next to the text field box.

A photo hosting site (for example): postimages.org


Thank you, Justin. I'll work on it again, but I'm not at all confident...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2022 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Apropos this topic, on Facebook there's a page for Jerry Fielding Appreciation. A couple of years ago some good soul contributed a photograph that had originally appeared in Kinematograph Weekly at the time the film was being made. The pic showed Jerry Fielding, David Whitaker and Michael Winner together, and the caption below read, "Hollywood composer Jerry Fielding (left) has just completed his score for producer/director Michael Winner's western 'Lawman' at the CTS Studios. The orchestra was conducted by David Whitaker (centre). Michael Winner (right) directed 'Lawman' starring Burt Lancaster, Robert Ryan and Lee J. Cobb, on location in Mexico."

I would have lifted the photo and included it here, but for the life of me I still cannot figure out how to post pics on this board, sorry!

JMM.


I've just been to the Fielding Appreciation Facebook group and found the photo you mention, James. I "think" I copied it, but now I don't know where it is. Anyway, if anyone's interested, it's on a post from 27 November 2018. Former FSM member Heath(cliff Blair) - I miss his thoughtful posts here - mentioned the possible union issue, and Jon Burlingame himself showed surprise at seeing the picture ("Wow!")

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2022 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Managed to listen to this new purchase (twice) at the weekend. I always knew it was a terrific score, being used to the fairly lengthy and representative sections from the Bay Cities Fielding promos (and, before that, from the film when it was on the telly). In fact I didn't think I "needed" this (I don't really "need" anything, I just "want" them) but I gave in a few weeks back in a moment of weakness. I initially intended getting the earlier Intrada version because I liked the idea of short tracks combined into longer ones, similar to the old LP presentation. But it was twice the price at the local fishmongers, so I plumped for the reissue.

As I said, terrific score. The short tracks didn't bother me in the slightest. I just stopped looking at the track titles and timings and let the music do its thing. Anyone got the two releases? If so, which is your preferred presentation?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2022 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I have the first CD edition that Intrada released, Graham.
The flurry of Jerry Fielding releases and expansions came at a good time for me.
He was a composer I had always liked, but never bought a lot of (although to be fair, there wasn't a ton of stuff available at the time).
And as I was growing bored of all the Zimmerness that was starting to take over, his was a sound and style I could get on with.
So I bought everything out of the gate from all the labels marked Fielding.
I haven't played much JF these past few years though.
But I'm sure his time will come again right soon.

 
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