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 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I just watched it again and rather enjoyed it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

I've never understood the hatred for it. It's decent entertainment.

The score is rather bland I thought.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I've said this many times, It's the second best NG film and probably the forth or fifth best film in the Star Trek franchise.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 9:47 PM   
 By:   Nightingale   (Member)

Better than Insurrection!

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   FredGarvin   (Member)

Overall, it's not a bad movie...just a few issues I don't care for. But i really dig Goldsmith's score, the battle scenes, and that Enterprise-E is one beautiful ship.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 2:34 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I think the score is fantastic, the movie was, well, not a good as it could have been but not as bad as some make it out to be.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

[Newbies: highlight the blacked out text to read spoilers.]

I still think it's the worst of the TNG films, and a chore to sit through. Its newness and "big screen excitement" made it palatable for me the first time, but on the small screen and knowing how it's going to unfold, not so much. Too much of the film is dreary and unpleasant.

Not that this would ruin a good film, but the stupidity of killing off a great character like Mr. Data, and the cheap, intelligence-insulting cheat of instantly replacing him with a mentally challenged lookalike so Spiner would still have his job, is not a plus.

Also, isn't this the movie where they "forgot" that Troi had already been telepathically raped in the TV episode "Violations"? How does a filmmaker think we won't notice that? Or that if such a coincidence occurred, the characters wouldn't acknowledge it?

Spoiler alert for CHARLIE'S ANGELS: in that TV series, the beloved Kelly character gets shot in the head. Twice. And the second time it happens, which is quite a coincidence, nobody recalls that this very disaster has happened before. It's just not a serious, respectable way to produce an ongoing narrative about a group of people. It takes you right out of the drama. And that's how it felt in NEMESIS.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I didn't mind the Khan regurgitations so much.

zapbrannigan: I agree. It also bugged me that no one immediately said Lore! upon finding the Data head on the desert planet. Obviously it was there just to "leave the door open" in case you know who decided to return.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 6:08 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

It also bugged me that no one immediately said Lore! upon finding the Data head on the desert planet. Obviously it was there just to "leave the door open" in case you know who decided to return.

Agreed. That was just WTF? Bugged me too. Obviously, the first thing I thought (and anyone probably would have thought) at that moment was Lore!

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'd have to check the DVD, but I recall an interview in which someone expresses how happy they were that Nemesis had a screenwriter, John Logan, as well as Brent Spiner, steeped in Trek history and who knew all about the show's...lore? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The deleted scenes have a couple that would have benefited the end cut of the film, they had a running time target and cut out a couple that should have stayed in. Otherwise, it is a well made film, probably darker than any of the other Next Gen pics. I feel like it took a substantial commercial thrashing that year by being up against the Lord of the Rings film as well as Harry Potter. With the benefit of time I think it stands up fairly well, the look of the picture, the visual effects and the production design are all pretty high end.

John Logan is a good screenwriter and a true Trek fan, that stuff said against him is a bunch of hooey

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I'd have to check the DVD, but I recall an interview in which someone expresses how happy they were that Nemesis had a screenwriter, John Logan, as well as Brent Spiner, steeped in Trek history and who knew all about the show's...lore? wink


I read somewhere that Logan later admitted he just cobbled together a bunch of ideas from TNG episodes and (I think he said) other Treks. He got that job due to his reputation, took the money, and then half-assed it because it was just Star Trek. Or else he swung and whiffed, which can happen.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Better than Insurrection!

I consider INSURRECTION among the best of the STAR TREK films and certainly the best of the Next Generation movies.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I remember reading the leaked script which hit the innerwebs before the film's release (probably one reason it never even had an opening weekend to speak of). There were references to Lore and more character stuff. It was a good read and I was disappointed so much of the little bits were cut or redone.

Riker had an awesome parting shot when he won his fight: "Don't worry, hell is dark!"

I actually really like this film. It's fun and exciting, has great moments, some of the best space action of the series and a wonderful score by JG. His closing theme was butchered in the final edit, but brings me to tears on album.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Better than Insurrection!

.....y the best of the Next Generation movies.


Low bar.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Is this the one with the Picard.clone?

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Captain Cold   (Member)

I just watched it again and rather enjoyed it.

Tom Hardy is good in his role, the soundtrack is awesome but the movie as a whole is terrible.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Is this the one with the Picard.clone?

Yes it is.smileAnother thing I like about the film is the teaming up of Picard and the Romulans to defeat Picard's clone, sorry I forgot his name.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Ok, so that I'm clear after reading the critical consensus here:

It's decent entertainment, the second best NG film and probably the fourth or fifth best film in the Star Trek franchise, overall not a bad movie, not as good as it could have been but not as bad as some make it out to be, the worst of the TNG films, a chore to sit through, fun and exciting, has great moments, but the movie as a whole is terrible.

Got it!

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Ok, so that I'm clear after reading the critical consensus here:

It's decent entertainment, the second best NG film and probably the fourth or fifth best film in the Star Trek franchise, overall not a bad movie, not as good as it could have been but not as bad as some make it out to be, the worst of the TNG films, a chore to sit through, fun and exciting, has great moments, but the movie as a whole is terrible.

Got it!




That's about right. Some people like it, some don't.

I forgot to mention one of my many complaints, the personal transporter device. It's a brooch.

"Brooch: an ornament fastened to clothing with a hinged pin and catch."

While the transporter itself is scientifically implausible, at least the shipboard version could be a big machine with a large power source. The TNG idea of putting transporters aboard shuttle pods was a step too far as it was. But you go with it for the sake of Star Trek.

Now in NEMESIS, the transporter is a brooch. So not only is the machine absurdly small, and for power, it has to run off a tiny battery that weighs nothing-- that's not even the worst of it. This minuscule transporter device is transported with the wearer. It has to de-materialize itself, then beam itself somehow, and re-materialize itself somehow, despite being reduced to disassembled atoms. It's an insult to our intelligence.

It's the kind of slap in face that actually makes me angry. It's worse than anything in Star Trek V. It reduces Star Trek to the same theoretical level as I Dream of Jeannie. I have trouble forgiving that.

 
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