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 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

"We'll still announce on Monday but it won't ship until later in the week. It's a golden age title from the late 50s. First release from us stretching that far back from this studio's catalog. It includes the full score from the film, plus one side of an LP that had part of the score re-recorded. Otherside of the LP was unrelated material that wouldn't be of much interest."

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=81038#p81038

Exciting! Now to start the sleuthing...it won't be Fox or Paramount or MGM (which at this point is owned by Warner Bros.), because Intrada has released scores earlier than the late 50s from all of those studios. (David and Bathsheba/1951 from Fox, early 40s Rozsa scores from Paramount, and going all the way back to the 30s for shockingly good-sounding Waxman scores from MGM).

My guess is Universal. Now for the LP experts to chime in. smile

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Wow, that's great to hear! Alot of clues there for the experts.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Last year, Roger mentioned that there was a Steiner in the works, so perhaps this could be that. However, the LP clue kinda limits what Steiner it could be if it is so (How many Steiner scores got a soundtrack album during the 50's?).

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

How many Steiner scores got a soundtrack album during the 50's?

Some, but remember he specified *late* 50s which really limits it, and once the clue about the re-recorded score taking up only half the LP is taken into account, I don't see anything that would be it:
http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/composerdiscography.php?composerid=57&offset=800

I checked Frank Skinner and Hans J. Salter who worked at Universal a lot in that period...nothing that fits that more specific second clue. And it's obviously not Rozsa, since that more specific second clue also doesn't fit A Time to Love and a Time to Die.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Last year, Roger mentioned that there was a Steiner in the works, so perhaps this could be that. However, the LP clue kinda limits what Steiner it could be if it is so (How many Steiner scores got a soundtrack album during the 50's?).

Several, if you search Soundtrackcollector.
Steiner or not, I wonder if the LP was released in the 1950s.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

How many Steiner scores got a soundtrack album during the 50's?

Some, but remember he specified *late* 50s which really limits it, and once the clue about the re-recorded score taking up only half the LP is taken into account, I don't see anything that would be it:
http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/composerdiscography.php?composerid=57&offset=800

I checked Frank Skinner and Hans J. Salter who worked at Universal a lot in that period...nothing that fits that more specific second clue. And it's obviously not Rozsa, since that more specific second clue also doesn't fit A Time to Love and a Time to Die.

Yavar


Yeah, and I have a feeling Roger meant the LP was recorded contemporaneously, which eliminates my initial guess of Helen of Troy with the Bernstein recording, minus the Summer Place excerpts.

As far as other possible studios, we can also eliminate Disney because of their release of 20,000 Leagues.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

The second part of the clue suggests it's something of a type that could be included on an LP of non-film music without seeming out-of-place... like on a jazz-themed LP. Any jazzy scores fit the bill?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

What about something like John Paul Jones

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

How many Steiner scores got a soundtrack album during the 50's?

Some, but remember he specified *late* 50s which really limits it, and once the clue about the re-recorded score taking up only half the LP is taken into account, I don't see anything that would be it:
http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/composerdiscography.php?composerid=57&offset=800

I checked Frank Skinner and Hans J. Salter who worked at Universal a lot in that period...nothing that fits that more specific second clue. And it's obviously not Rozsa, since that more specific second clue also doesn't fit A Time to Love and a Time to Die.

Yavar


The only one I can think of is DEATH OF A SCOUNDREL (1956). It's half of a Steiner LP. The other side contains music from CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE, THE SEARCHERS, FOUR WIVES and A STOLEN LIFE.

But DOAS is an RKO release, and that doesn't fit Roger's first clue.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Crime in the Streets?

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

1956 isn't "late 50s" and pay attention to the end of what Roger said (as Basil did): "Otherside of the LP was unrelated material that wouldn't be of much interest." (emphasis mine)

I don't think Roger would say the other side of the LP "wouldn't be of much interest" if it was other orchestral music, either by the same composer for a different film or different composer entirely. I think he knows that would still be of interest to folks. So I think it must be a case where one half of the LP is score and the other half is pop songs, or dialogue from the film, or something like that.

Yavar

P.S. FSM already released the LP of John Paul Jones on a twofer, and that wasn't an LP with another side having "unrelated material that wouldn't be of much interest." I really don't think this is the Steiner title Roger hinted at last year.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah, and I have a feeling Roger meant the LP was recorded contemporaneously, which eliminates my initial guess of Helen of Troy with the Bernstein recording, minus the Summer Place excerpts.

I think this is a most reasonable assumption.

As far as other possible studios, we can also eliminate Disney because of their release of 20,000 Leagues.

While I was inclined to agree, apparently this was not a good assumption as Roger just wrote at the Intrada board:
"I hadn't really thought of that one since Disney produced it and it was a co-branded title. They just supplied manufactured goods. I was thinking more of titles that we licensed directly."

So it might be a Disney indeed...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

If it's Disney, maybe Davy Crockett? Or a Paul Smith score? Johnny Tremain? Or maybe Universal?

I just looked at my Johnny Tremain LP, could very well be this George Bruns score. Half of the LP is Johnny Tremain, the other half is traditional songs.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I've always wanted the full original score to AUNTIE MAME. The LP was rerecorded with a smaller orchestra and had a b-side of Kaper rerecorded themes.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Roger made a comment about Bruns at some point in the past month or so which makes me think you just guessed the correct title, PFK!

EDIT: Here it is!
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=132718&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=2&r=256#bottom

"George Bruns

I'm glad he's getting some love. Just sayin'." -- Roger F.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Never mind.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

If it's Disney, maybe Davy Crockett? Or a Paul Smith score? Johnny Tremain? Or maybe Universal?

I just looked at my Johnny Tremain LP, could very well be this George Bruns score. Half of the LP is Johnny Tremain, the other half is traditional songs.


Wow, never heard of this Disney title before. Sure is obscure but I look forward to hearing sound samples, I love me some more Bruns.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

You people just FRIGGIN' AMAZE ME!!!! Y'all's powers of deduction blow me away every time!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I just looked at my Johnny Tremain LP, could very well be this George Bruns score. Half of the LP is Johnny Tremain, the other half is traditional songs.

The only thing I remember from "Johnny Tremain" was Whit Bissell saying, "A few moments with a knife, a few moments of pain..." spoken like the mad scientist he played back then, heh, heh.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 7:32 PM   
 By:   gmontag451   (Member)

Johnny Tremain is a great film. My 8th grade English class read the book and watched the film in the late 80s. I'm quite fond of the music as well, having worked in Disney's Liberty Square in WDW, I heard much of it every day for a number of years.

 
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