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 Posted:   Feb 16, 2019 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

It's well known that apparently Herrmann was too exhausted to conduct this cue. HOWEVER, there are TWO VERSIONS of this cue... I'm wondering if that "alternate" version of the cue was conducted by Herrmann, and when they deemed it unsatisfactory, Herrmann handed the baton over to Johnson, who then recorded the cue that was actually used in the film.
Okay... I realise that's an impossible question to answer... but maybe SOMEone here knows!

NP - GUESS!big grin

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2019 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Okay... I realise that's an impossible question to answer...

That's never stopped 1001 know-it-all soundtrack fans from responding inanely.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2019 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Dylan   (Member)

Though I cannot locate the source at the moment, it is my understanding that yes, the alternate "Finale" was conducted by Herrmann. Apparently it was a real struggle to get that alternate recorded and it still wasn't matching up with the images on the screen, so Herrmann enlisted Laurie Johnson to conduct that cue.

The finale from "Obsession" is, in my opinion, the single greatest cue from any film score ever. I'd say it's one of the greatest scenes from any movie ever, as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2019 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

According to the Steven Smith bio, Laurie Johnson conducted the last cue. My guess (and it is just a guess) is that the alternate take of the cue on the Music Box CD is a rehearsal, as it just doesn't fit the film. It is a full ten seconds shorter than the final version and the changes in the music do not fit the editing of the scene. Dylan, I know Smith mentions that at times during the sessions, Herrmann's conducting brought in cues a little late or let them play out too long; however, I don't think he would have been ten seconds off. Anyway, that's MY theory.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

Dylan, OBSESSION is my favorite score of all time. I certainly love the finale, but my favorite cue from the score is The Kidnapping.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Dylan, OBSESSION is my favorite score of all time. I certainly love the finale, but my favorite cue from the score is The Kidnapping.

It...it IS?!?!?! WOW! It's MY favorite score as WELL, John! Geeeee... you and I seem to have a lot in common!!!big grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

I retract my statement about the alternate take being ten seconds shorter than the final take. WELL. actually it IS ten seconds shorter on the Music Box CD, but after careful scrutiny while trying to play it in sync with the DVD, I noticed that the pitch is not quite the same; it is barely-perceptibly higher, indicating that the source from which Music Box took that alternate take was not quite at the right speed. By the sound quality alone, we can determine that those three bonus cue did not come from the same pristine source as the rest of CD 1. So, my latest hypothesis is that at some point along the way, the source of those three bonus cues was copied on equipment running just slightly off-specifications, hence the time differences.

Additional notes after again listening to the Music Box CD. If I mentioned these years ago, I apologize:

The unused cue "Ransom" would have appeared between "The Ferry" and "The Hideout." I believe it would have covered the short nighttime scene of the henchman returning by car with the ransom money suitcase and running down the basement stairs, saying "I've got it!"

The unused "Past and Present" cue was supposed to be between "Cemetery" and "New Orleans." I presume this would have been over the scene between John Lithgow and his secretary concerning Court's upcoming marriage plans. Lithgow says something like "If I hadn't seen it myself, I wouldn't have believed it. It was like Elizabeth walked out of her tomb!" I am guessing the "Past and Present" cue would have started right after that line. In that position, it finishes the scene (and that reel of film),and leads directly into "New Orleans," which is the opening of the next reel.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2019 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

The finale from "Obsession" is, in my opinion, the single greatest cue from any film score ever. I'd say it's one of the greatest scenes from any movie ever, as well.

Wow! That's quite a claim for a finale that the original writer disowned! No matter. Tastes differ. I also discovered a version of the script with the present finale and instructions to have Patti Page's "soaring voice" fill the soundtrack with a lyric about changing partners. We can be glad that idea was dropped. Though doubtless there are people out there who would have preferred itto Herrmann's ending.

I found the scene and the music thrilling in 1976 and also on a recent viewing. But as with most Herrmann (in my opinion), it doesn't stand up on records. Just too repetitive.

 
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