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 Posted:   Mar 25, 2019 - 8:41 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Bunch of HD movie clips went up on YouTube tonight.



More of the awful soundtrack revisionism, sadly...note the added "choo-choo" train SFX when Fievel is getting pushed through the snow by the Cossack Cat. frown How I wish that Shout Factory or some other label would rescue this movie and restore the original soundtrack (not to mention sprucing up the transfer and adding some extra features).

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2019 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Bunch of HD movie clips went up on YouTube tonight.

More of the awful soundtrack revisionism, sadly...note the added "choo-choo" train SFX when Fievel is getting pushed through the snow by the Cossack Cat. frown How I wish that Shout Factory or some other label would rescue this movie and restore the original soundtrack (not to mention sprucing up the transfer and adding some extra features).


Been well aware of the audio changes for years. Its unwatchable. I hate what they did to this film. There's never been an explanation for this either. Was it Spielberg's doing? Someone at the studio thought, "Hey I can improve this!" What happened? To my knowledge no official accounting or acknowledgement for these changes.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2019 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)


I'd also look forward to FIEVEL GOES WEST in the future- as I have never heard that one to date.


That's a super-fun score, even if Horner's riffs on Copland are especially brazen. It's MUCH different than the first American Tail, but it makes for a varied listening experience.


True. Any unreleased variations on "Dreams To Dream" would make it worth the price of admission alone.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2019 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Bunch of HD movie clips went up on YouTube tonight.

More of the awful soundtrack revisionism, sadly...note the added "choo-choo" train SFX when Fievel is getting pushed through the snow by the Cossack Cat. frown How I wish that Shout Factory or some other label would rescue this movie and restore the original soundtrack (not to mention sprucing up the transfer and adding some extra features).


Been well aware of the audio changes for years. Its unwatchable. I hate what they did to this film. There's never been an explanation for this either. Was it Spielberg's doing? Someone at the studio thought, "Hey I can improve this!" What happened? To my knowledge no official accounting or acknowledgement for these changes.


Wow, that is odd... why would they add in train SFX as if this were a Looney Tune cartoon? The movie strives for realism in most every way, so that just seems off-base.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2019 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Ok stupid question time - I haven't seen AAT in decades, planning to rewatch & see its on Netflix stream - any ideas of that is the "updated" version or perhaps the pre-tinkered version? Longshot but maybe someone has checked it...

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2019 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Just checked the version on Netflix streaming, and the audio changes are still present. mad

It's so maddening...it's one of my childhood favorites, and I can't enjoy it the same way anymore. frown

What I think happened was, these additional sound effects and voice tracks were in the original mix of the film, but were removed by Don Bluth or Steven Spielberg or someone else at the time of the movie's theatrical release, but when the movie was prepared for its DVD debut in 2004, some overzealous sound guy in the Universal home video department was tasked to create a new 5.1 surround track, found the additional SFX and dialogue, and decided to put them ALL back in. Check out the two versions of Fievel getting harassed by the trio of orphan bullies:



Pay close attention to the lip-synch on the second, DVD version, where the orphan says, "You're nothing, you're junk, you're trash!" That line actually fits the mouth movements better, indicating that that was the original line/voice performance it was animated to (as opposed to, "Yeah, forget 'em, you're one of us now!"), which leads me to surmise that the DVD audio was just a temp track (probably with members of the animation crew providing the voices), and that the theatrical voices were re-dubbed over the existing animation when it was decided that having actual children record the lines would be more effective.

There's also the scene where Fievel has been captured and is in the birdcage. In the theatrical mix, all you hear is James Horner's music and Fievel quietly crying, but in the DVD/Blu/Netflix streaming version, you hear off-screen dialogue from one of Warren T. Rat's can henchmen telling Tiger to stand guard, and Tiger responding. I can't imagine they called up Dom DeLuise to record additional lines for Tiger almost 20 years after the fact. I just wish someone at Universal would listen to the complaints and re-issue the movie on Blu with the option of listening to the unmolested theatrical mix.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2019 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

@ Mr Jack- It's all speculation here but I don't believe the "new" audio track was the original audio track.
It's completely inconsistent with Bluth's style. Dom DeLuise's line could be an outtake or dialog not used in the original cut of the film.

This new audio mix is consistent with "dumbing down", which has been on going in entertainment industry for over a decade. They added off screen voices and sound effects practically everyplace there was a moment of silence or only music playing. Hollywood believes kids in particular need constant stimuli or they'll get bored.

I do recall reading somewhere the orphans voices at the end of the film were replaced. Or that was speculation as well I don't remember. So you could be correct about that.

But I think the majority of the changes are new to the DVD/Blu Ray/Streaming releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2019 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

A Big Box Of Goodies dropped through my door today, courtesy of those Wonderful Intradians smile

This is first up to be played and MY GOD, it SOUNDS absolutely Glorious!!
Orchestral details revealed as never heard before.
THIS is how CD restorations should sound.
Hats Off to you all!

 
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