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 Posted:   Jan 18, 2019 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

So I would say, in a purist sense, that "The Asteroid Field" has a theme that recurs within that piece, as, to a lesser extent (it's shorter), does "The Jedi Steps."

Ah, good point.

Yavar


I would call the Asteroid Field a motif. It's a short statement played over and over again. A "theme" has more development musically speaking.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2019 - 3:46 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

What about the mirror of erised

oh man. that is a lovely piece. and i just now remembered that insane string counter melody in the "change of season" section. i removed for flow (the chill, lengthy "christmas morning / invisibility cloak" is a lot of downtime from the action stuff), but may add back. thank you!



But does the music has to be like it is on the soundtrack


You could always edited it for listening flow

i want you to take a look at this video

it is the JAWS album i have edited - some pieces appears like they did on the OST while the film score has had some editing

if you listen to the first track you'll hear MAIN TITLE combined with MAN AGAINST BEAST

this editing trick makes man Agains beast appear more dynamic than is does as a cue - as cue it's kind of a downer becaurse of the slow start which is probabbly why Williams choosed to cut this section for the re-recording




try also listen to the track i have titled THE SHARK which appear at 12:40 - it's as good as editing gets

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2019 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



I know you're teasing, but we actually do. And I don't see what's wrong with reusing a melody here and there – all the greats have done it. Certainly Rózsa and Herrmann. Oh, and Beethoven.


Not to mention that guy no one thinks much of....what was his name? Bach?

(And Berlioz, and Shostakovich, and Handel and Liszt and....well I don't think I need to go on)

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2019 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   sajrocks   (Member)

But does the music has to be like it is on the soundtrack... You could always edited it for listening flow

that's some masterful editing on your part, and it was fun listening to the score in such a different context! but yes, for me personally i prefer to work with music tracks as edited by the composer/music editor for the album. it feels a sacrilegious to do my own editing.

it's funny you mention 'man against beast' – one of my all-time favorite john williams pieces. a friend once asked me to make a playlist to help introduce him to the work of williams, and i had a devil of a time finding the right place for 'man against beast' given the hard start of the album cue and all the tonal shifts. finally found a good fluid (or at least dramatic) fit by placing it after the main theme to 'towering inferno'.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2019 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)



I personally never get tired of the danger motif. In fact I get a kick out of it. But I do understand it was so over used it would make a lot of people cringe.



This.

I love me some danger motif...every time I hear it, it makes me smile. And every time it works wonderfully.


 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2019 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

La La Land will have to release David Newman's SCOOBY DOO scores now, so that we can get ALL the trailer music heard from the HP/JW films wink

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2019 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

It's often said that films about flight or the sea make for some of the best scores. I think the same should also be said of time travel. From Time Past/Saving Buckbeak, through to Turning Back Time of the Azkaban score are some of the most killer Williams tracks of the series. After repeated listens I am starting to wonder wether Hans Zimmer got maybe a little inspiration for some of his Interstellar cues from this very score?

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2019 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

It's often said that films about flight or the sea make for some of the best scores. I think the same should also be said of time travel. From Time Past/Saving Buckbeak, through to Turning Back Time of the Azkaban score are some of the most killer Williams tracks of the series. After repeated listens I am starting to wonder wether Hans Zimmer got maybe a little inspiration for some of his Interstellar cues from this very score?

Nah.

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2019 - 6:50 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)


Nah.


Nah?
Give Imperfect Contact from Interstellar another listen then listen to Askaban's Time Past from about 1.35 - 2.13.
Im not saying he ripped it. There just may have been some inspiration or idea there.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2019 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

got The box set today


The PoA end Title sounds different than the OST. - i felt A bit slower

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

The PoA end Title sounds different than the OST. - i felt A bit slower

The end title on the Archival disc is considerably different. The end title on the original CD, "Mischief Managed", starts out similarly (though a few bars are edited-out), with the restatement of "Hagrid the Teacher" and "Window to the Past", then segues into reprises of "Buckbeak's Flight", "The Snowball Fight", "Double Trouble", "The Knight Bus" and "Aunt Marge's Waltz".

The "Firebolt and End Credits Suite" on the Archival release consists of the Broomstick theme, "Window to the Past" and then concludes with a new performance of Hedwig's Theme".

I much-prefer the version on the Archival release, as "Hedwig's Theme" resolves the album in a much-more rewarding fashion, compared to the way "Mischief Managed" simply repeats the same tracks heard earlier on the album (and gets redundant).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

The PoA end Title sounds different than the OST. - i felt A bit slower

The end title on the Archival disc is considerably different. The end title on the original CD, "Mischief Managed", starts out similarly (though a few bars are edited-out), with the restatement of "Hagrid the Teacher" and "Window to the Past", then segues into reprises of "Buckbeak's Flight", "The Snowball Fight", "Double Trouble", "The Knight Bus" and "Aunt Marge's Waltz".

The "Firebolt and End Credits Suite" on the Archival release consists of the Broomstick theme, "Window to the Past" and then concludes with a new performance of Hedwig's Theme".

I much-prefer the version on the Archival release, as "Hedwig's Theme" resolves the album in a much-more rewarding fashion, compared to the way "Mischief Managed" simply repeats the same tracks heard earlier on the album (and gets redundant).






The opening insert part has always been there in the film - but they were not on the OST

after that they are what JW wrote in his end title up untel where the OST includes Buckbeaks - the archival version is what was written in the sheet

but that's not my concern

my concern is that tho versions feels different in pace - the one feels slower than the other

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 3:22 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

my concern is that tho versions feels different in pace - the one feels slower than the other

The moment in the movie between the freeze-frame and when the credits start, where Harry speaks “Lumos… I solemnly swear I am up to no good” is edited on the album because it's just long sustained notes. Other than that, all of the moments common to both the original album and the archival collection are identical in timing. The difference in momentum — which I agree the archival edition does have — is an impression gotten entirely from the starts and stops the unedited version has and the slight differences in content.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Can someone point me in the direction of the spreadsheet which contained a breakdown of the content from COS. It featured a cue by cue breakdown of original, adapted and reused material. I'm not sure if I saw it here or on the JW forum. In any case I can no longer find it.
Thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   JBlough   (Member)

Can someone point me in the direction of the spreadsheet which contained a breakdown of the content from COS. It featured a cue by cue breakdown of original, adapted and reused material. I'm not sure if I saw it here or on the JW forum. In any case I can no longer find it.
Thanks.


Here ya go: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27619-finished-chamber-of-secrets-thematic-and-originality-analysis/

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2019 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)


Here ya go: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27619-finished-chamber-of-secrets-thematic-and-originality-analysis/


Thank you kindly.

 
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