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 Posted:   Nov 21, 2018 - 8:39 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Been chugging through this with intent for the first time properly. The first two seasons were mostly poor picks up in the third. It's at it's worst when it tries action scenes and relies on the holodeck or when Wesley has the answer and no one listens to him. It's failure to develop secondary characters is also disappointing. And there acres of technobabble that takes up valuable storytelling time. Oh the non-speaking crewmen extras always seem to have a dead-eyed quality in àny situation that's pretty bad.

It picks up in season 3 a lot more. Patrick Stewart earns his crust every episode. He seems very angry in every episode early in but it was pleasing to see Wesley Crusher told to sod off so much.

The guest stars are interesting. Saul Rubinek is fantastic to watch in his episode. THe zctress who plays a crewman and also Worf's missus is also always welcome to see.

There's the villain and his wife from Columbo episode The Bye Bye Sky High IQ Murder.

Then they have a decent episode called Data's Day which also has Alan Scarfe and amazing redhead Cameron in it who were both in the episode Columbo Cries Wolf.

It's watchable and entertaining enough, a bit too much reliant in them solving everything very quickly and there's too much time travel and psychic entities.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 4:10 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

As you've been roundly ignored so far, let me say that as far as I recall I've never seen a single ST:TNG episode all the way through. To be honest, you haven't really encouraged me to give it a thrutch.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I didn't see it either, but just to make sure I'm thinking of the same show.... was there a main character (alien) in it with a forehead like a Mars Bar?

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Ironically, TNG has been off the air longer than TOS...

...at my house, that is.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

I didn't see it either, but just to make sure I'm thinking of the same show.... was there a main character (alien) in it with a forehead like a Mars Bar?

That made me laugh. Yes, he's called Worf. I think it's the sound he makes when he throws up.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

I'm on season 4 now and it's pretty watchable. The music has been decent throughout the series too. Never realised it got so "big" sounding in places.

They get the odd guest star like Jean Simmons or David Ogden Stiers that can really, really act and are given proper techno-babble-free dialogue that peps the entire thing up a bit.

There's still the problematic "action" scenes. A phaser battle has all the excitement of a dad pointing the telly-clicker at the telly to change channel.

I do enjoy the stunt-doubles used for the most minor stunts that look nothing like who they're supposed to be. Harkened back to TOS.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Wait until they get to the Cybermen!

I mean, The Borg.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Wait until they get to the Cybermen!

I mean, The Borg.


I got past the first time they met them. They're a bit useless. I mean, they let you walk around them as long as you're basically not stabbing them or something.

I used to love the Cybermen when i was a kid watching the Sylvester McCoy Dr Who. The Dr Who where he fights a giant Bertie Bassett made out of liquorice allsorts is still the high watermark of TV sci-fi. and for some reason i remember Delta and the Bannermen where aliens invade a Welsh holiday camp.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Picard is supposed to be a Frenchman, yet despite his moronic family running a vineyard, he slurps Early Grey tea ("Hot."), speaks with a blatantly English accent, and is, other than a few script-dictated mandates, emotionally constipated in the most English manner possible.

He also to my best recollection never speaks a word of French whereas William Shatner is allegedly fluent in the language.

Just an awful series which has aged quite poorly. Thanks, Rick Berman.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Picard is supposed to be a Frenchman, yet despite his moronic family running a vineyard, he slurps Early Grey tea ("Hot."), speaks with a blatantly English accent, and is, other than a few script-dictated mandates, emotionally constipated in the most English manner possible.


LMAO!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

I always forget he's supposed to be French unless someone mentions it.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Wait until they get to the Cybermen!

I mean, The Borg.


I got past the first time they met them. They're a bit useless. I mean, they let you walk around them as long as you're basically not stabbing them or something.



Not at all useless, actually smart and efficient. Each Borg had an assigned job and didn't deviate from that function unless required to like under attack.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I always forget he's supposed to be French unless someone mentions it.

Me too!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Didn't Picard/Patrick Stewart adopt the Equaliser/Edward Woodward school of acting, wherein SHOUTING VERY LOUDLY, IN A STERN, HEAD-MASTERLY ENGLISH MANNER made the baddies (aliens) desist in what they were doing?

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Didn't Picard/Patrick Stewart adopt the Equaliser/Edward Woodward school of acting, wherein SHOUTING VERY LOUDLY, IN A STERN, HEAD-MASTERLY ENGLISH MANNER made the baddies (aliens) desist in what they were doing?

Stewart actually toned it down compared to his ponderous performance in Excalibur.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Didn't Picard/Patrick Stewart adopt the Equaliser/Edward Woodward school of acting, wherein SHOUTING VERY LOUDLY, IN A STERN, HEAD-MASTERLY ENGLISH MANNER made the baddies (aliens) desist in what they were doing?

He does come across as very short-tempered, especially in the first 2 seasons.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

He does come across as very short-tempered, especially in the first 2 seasons.

You would too, if you were constantly tugging on your ill-fitting space pajamas.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

He does come across as very short-tempered, especially in the first 2 seasons.

You would too, if you were constantly tugging on your ill-fitting space pajamas.


Some of the clothing is (unintentionally?) bizarre. His space-sleeping-kimono being one bit.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

The kimono casual menswear is as ubiquitous as it is bizarre. T-shirts are never going away, guys. By the time they realized this, it was on Star Trek shows I didn't enjoy. Sadface.

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2018 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Going only by my increasingly faulty memory, did TNG vanish from US syndication after its 1994 finale? I don't seem to remember it being on until late 2001, when network TNN had a big ad campaign announcing its return(?) to TV.

Since that time, TNG has been aired on BBC America, but since I don't have cable (7 years and counting) I have no idea if it's still popular. Our criticisms of the show's characters, design, and tropes make me wonder if TNG's popularity has been on the wane since NEMESIS.

Or maybe we're just a bunch of old people gumming angrily at a pop-culture world gone out of control. wink

 
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