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 Posted:   Apr 11, 2017 - 1:08 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I prefer the jutting peaks...as this is about mountain climbing.

I didn't even notice that. Why yes, now that you point it out, I see what you mean. wink

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I just re-watched THE EIGER SANCTION for the first time in, oh, I don't know, 30 years or so. Well, it sure isn't a good movie. The characters are completely uninvolving, and the plot is nonsensical, bordering on the absurd. But John Williams score is excellent of course, and the mountain climbing sequences were spectacular for its day. Movie buffs may find this an interesting relic of its time, but by and large the movie is a pretty vapid affair. Great cast though.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

In Sweden it was retitled: Licens Att Döda. That means License To Kill.

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I still need to watch this for the scenery.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I like the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I just re-watched THE EIGER SANCTION for the first time in, oh, I don't know, 30 years or so. Well, it sure isn't a good movie. The characters are completely uninvolving, and the plot is nonsensical, bordering on the absurd. But John Williams score is excellent of course, and the mountain climbing sequences were spectacular for its day. Movie buffs may find this an interesting relic of its time, but by and large the movie is a pretty vapid affair. Great cast though.


I watched it a couple of years ago after a long break, and there are still some really excellent parts to it, and some less good parts. However, the less good parts were so cringey that they started to outweigh the really good bits. I put that down to life experience, and some blunting of the exuberance of youth.

All that apart, I’m very happy to say, following my comment of January 2016 that I’d buy another iteration of the score, that I did. And it retains its huge appeal where some of the bravado and corny lines that I enjoyed once upon a time have palled a little.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

In Sweden it was retitled: Licens Att Döda. That means License To Kill.

For interest, what was Licensed To Kill released as in Sweden?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   Indy1981   (Member)

In Sweden it was retitled: Licens Att Döda. That means License To Kill.

For interest, what was Licensed To Kill released as in Sweden?


Tid för hämnd

https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/movies/ltk_trivia#:~:text=Just%20like%20in%20the%20Italian,with%20a%20license%20to%20kill).

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 7:47 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I just re-watched THE EIGER SANCTION for the first time in, oh, I don't know, 30 years or so. Well, it sure isn't a good movie. The characters are completely uninvolving, and the plot is nonsensical, bordering on the absurd. But John Williams score is excellent of course, and the mountain climbing sequences were spectacular for its day. Movie buffs may find this an interesting relic of its time, but by and large the movie is a pretty vapid affair. Great cast though.


I watched it a couple of years ago after a long break, and there are still some really excellent parts to it, and some less good parts. However, the less good parts were so cringey that they started to outweigh the really good bits. I put that down to life experience, and some blunting of the exuberance of youth.


There are some parts that just make not sense, and other parts that are indeed cringeworthy. Apart from the fact that the main character seemed implausible. Who was John Hemlock supposed to be? An art professor who moonlights as a special-unit assassin? Seems unlikely. Or a special unit assassin who moonlights as an art professor? Also seems equally unlikely. Seriously, Indiana Jones was more believable. And his motivation for killing people and accepting various assignments is... just money? And not even a lot at that, like $10,000.- seems to be the standard rate here. That's pocket change for James Bond. But he had super-expensive artwork in his... cottage?
As far as I remember, even Eastwood back then did not think his character had a lot of motivation to do the things the script told him to do.
And the C-2 knew Hemlock's target would go up the Eiger Sanction, but they could not pintpoint who? I mean, there were only three other mountain climbers going up, with very different backgrounds. Surely they could just figure out who might have been the one most likely to have killed the agent Eastwood ist supposed to revenge.


All that apart, I’m very happy to say, following my comment of January 2016 that I’d buy another iteration of the score, that I did. And it retains its huge appeal where some of the bravado and corny lines that I enjoyed once upon a time have palled a little.


Yeah, the score is beautiful.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Nightingale   (Member)

If memory serves, I found the ending strange in that there was that (luckily) station built into the mountain for rescuing people? I hope there's one on Everest too.

I may just watch it again tonight (with a lot of FF).

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

In Sweden it was retitled: Licens Att Döda. That means License To Kill.

For interest, what was Licensed To Kill released as in Sweden?


Tid för hämnd


I think I got one of those at Ikea

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2023 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

There are some parts that just make not sense, and other parts that are indeed cringeworthy. Apart from the fact that the main character seemed implausible. Who was John Hemlock supposed to be? An art professor who moonlights as a special-unit assassin? Seems unlikely. Or a special unit assassin who moonlights as an art professor? Also seems equally unlikely. Seriously, Indiana Jones was more believable. And his motivation for killing people and accepting various assignments is... just money? And not even a lot at that, like $10,000.- seems to be the standard rate here. That's pocket change for James Bond. But he had super-expensive artwork in his... cottage?

Did you watch the newer version of "Bourne Identity" (ie the Matt Damon version)??? None of that makes sense or is believable. Truck-sized plots holes or contradictions. And your criticisms are way off base, like the money angle: did James Bond even discuss his income or what he spent it on? Is it really so unusual for a real or fictional character to have a passion which they subsidize by whatever means possible? Hemlock has other motivations besides money, like his friends and enemies, but has lost any ideals after dealing with the government and/or serving in the military. Seems like you want it to not make sense.

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2023 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

There are some parts that just make not sense, and other parts that are indeed cringeworthy. Apart from the fact that the main character seemed implausible. Who was John Hemlock supposed to be? An art professor who moonlights as a special-unit assassin? Seems unlikely. Or a special unit assassin who moonlights as an art professor? Also seems equally unlikely. Seriously, Indiana Jones was more believable. And his motivation for killing people and accepting various assignments is... just money? And not even a lot at that, like $10,000.- seems to be the standard rate here. That's pocket change for James Bond. But he had super-expensive artwork in his... cottage?

Did you watch the newer version of "Bourne Identity" (ie the Matt Damon version)??? None of that makes sense or is believable. Truck-sized plots holes or contradictions. And your criticisms are way off base, like the money angle: did James Bond even discuss his income or what he spent it on? Is it really so unusual for a real or fictional character to have a passion which they subsidize by whatever means possible? Hemlock has other motivations besides money, like his friends and enemies, but has lost any ideals after dealing with the government and/or serving in the military. Seems like you want it to not make sense.



No, I would much prefer to have THE EIGER SANCTION make sense, or at least be enjoyable. Sure, THE BOURNE IDENTITY by Doug Liman also has plot holes and whatnot, just like many conspiracy/action/spy thrillers. Unlike THE EIGER SANCTION, THE BOURNE IDENTITY is a more gripping movie though, because you actually care about the protagonists. I found THE EIGER SANCTION falls flat for several reasons, though I obviously re-watched it and found some good things about it.

To answer your question: no, it's not unusual for a fictional or real character to subsidize his income, but you don't become a clandestine assassin by going through Craigslist for a job.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2023 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

you don't become a clandestine assassin by going through Craigslist for a job.

That’s exactly what a clandestine assassin would say.

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2023 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)



They don't make movies like they used to.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2023 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

No, I would much prefer to have THE EIGER SANCTION make sense, or at least be enjoyable. Sure, THE BOURNE IDENTITY by Doug Liman also has plot holes and whatnot, just like many conspiracy/action/spy thrillers. Unlike THE EIGER SANCTION, THE BOURNE IDENTITY is a more gripping movie though, because you actually care about the protagonists. I found THE EIGER SANCTION falls flat for several reasons, though I obviously re-watched it and found some good things about it.

To answer your question: no, it's not unusual for a fictional or real character to subsidize his income, but you don't become a clandestine assassin by going through Craigslist for a job.


Maybe BOURNE is gripping and endearing enough for YOU to ignore serious plotholes. Whereas I didn't find your criticisms of EIGER to be even plotholes (or accurately described). The only "good things" you identified was the soundtrack. I dunno what your point is about craigslist (aside from being smarmy) since he doesn't use classifieds for hits, as you know already. Did you write-off THE MECHANIC (I've only seen the original) because you didn't like his private life and hit job-acquisitions?

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2023 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Having written this - 14 Jan 16 - I still watched it again recently:

I'm bemused by the resurrection of a film best long forgotten ... at least, IMHO.

Thor kindly introduced a link to an earlier thread and seeing my posting therein (from 23 Apr 09) I have to say that nothing's changed. It is a dreadful film, okay not as bad as, say, Firefox but certainly not worth wasting a couple of hours watching ... IMHO.

As a teenager I used to get my parents to go see films I'd seen and enjoyed (not allowing for the age differences ~ different tastes) ... this was one that never came close.
- https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=113462&forumID=7&archive=0

but for the sole reason of assessing the score. My view of the film hasn't changed: rubbish. - https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=98807&forumID=7&archive=0 (21 Oct 23)

I recall having a disagreement with Thor (not the only subject smile) which only goes to show how different people view/assess the same film - https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=2&threadID=1107&archive=1 (23 & 24 Apr 09)

For me, JW's score and some lovely scenery are the best things about the film. The story and dialogue are poor third-rate and the cast, direction and much of the acting don't overcome these major failings.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2023 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2023 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



Maybe BOURNE is gripping and endearing enough for YOU to ignore serious plotholes.


Why, yes. Quite true. I do not claim universal adherence to that point of view.


Whereas I didn't find your criticisms of EIGER to be even plotholes (or accurately described). The only "good things" you identified was the soundtrack.


Not quite so. I lauded John Williams score, the terrific mountain climbing sequence and the cast. And I did say that some parts of EIGER SANCTION just don't make sense, I did not actually call them "plotholes". It's not a "plothole" that John Hemlock is an art professor hitman, it ist just never convincingly established.

I dunno what your point is about craigslist (aside from being smarmy) since he doesn't use classifieds for hits, as you know already.

Yes, but there is no clue as to who Hemlock is or how he ended up on that job. Art professor by day and hitman by night is not a natural combination of occupations.


Did you write-off THE MECHANIC (I've only seen the original) because you didn't like his private life and hit job-acquisitions?

I don't have anything against all kinds of characters, was long as what they do is convincing in the setting portrayed. It's been ages that I've seen THE MECHANIC, and I don't remember it too well.

Still, I mean, look at Indiana Jones, NONE of that is remotely realistic. It is not supposed to be. He is a teaching archaeology professor who adventures all around the world to find the most obscure and magical artefacts. Not realistic, not plausible, but "believable" within the world the movie represents (which isn't really the "real" world, but rather a world seen through the lens of old serials and pulp fiction). So Indiana Jones "works" as a character.

 
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