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 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

but over time, these viruses do tend to mutate to a much less deadly strain, just like SARS did.

Fine. Just remember that that happens because everyone who gets the deadliest strains dies before they can pass it on to a lot of people. It's the selfish gene, not altruism, in action.


Na, it's just nature. The virus wants to survive, & anyone who dies can't go on to spread it, so it becomes less deadly (mind you, it's hardly deadly to most people who catch it now). I've just come home from a busy high street (Uxbridge) & I wore a mask on the bus & in any shop, didn't touch my mouth & washed my hands twice when I got in.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 7:47 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Na, it's just nature. The virus wants to survive, & anyone who dies can't go on to spread it, so it becomes less deadly (mind you, it's hardly deadly to most people who catch it now). I've just come home from a busy high street (Uxbridge) & I wore a mask on the bus & in any shop, didn't touch my mouth & washed my hands twice when I got in.

That's a rather 18th century way of looking at it.

A virus can't "want" anything. It's not conscious and it doesn't have control over its genetic makeup. It undergoes random mutations, some of which survive and some of which don't. If a strain of the virus kills people too quickly it doesn't spread as far as a strain that's survivable. Basic evolutionary biology.

The virus does not have any purpose to kill. It's genes have a single purpose - to reproduce themselves. But by killing the host too quickly they kill the virus itself. Hence the "selfish gene" idea.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

For those who are over thinking this I suggest an experiment. Those that want to wear masks and social distance live in one location, those that want to go on with life without masks and social distancing can live in another location. Now lets see how this turns out, and NO crossing borders!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

My sister teaches in a school in England where they had confirmed cases. She was teaching a class that had siblings of one of the confirmed coronavirus cases. Of course she's been within a meter of the kids as despite having a two metre ruling they're little kids and go everywhere. She was pressured to lie by the head teacher to say she hadn't been near the kids and was okay to work immediately. This will happen all the time. Head teachers under pressure will start cheating here and there and it'll cause issues. I said they'd be the first to throw her under the bus if she did return and then somehow made others ill. She actually has some symptoms and won't be returning for a few weeks, though she thinks she's just unwell. But the pressure she was put under to lie was instant and strong.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

My sister teaches in a school in England where they had confirmed cases. She was teaching a class that had siblings of one of the confirmed coronavirus cases. Of course she's been within a meter of the kids as despite having a two metre ruling they're little kids and go everywhere. She was pressured to lie by the head teacher to say she hadn't been near the kids and was okay to work immediately. This will happen all the time. Head teachers under pressure will start cheating here and there and it'll cause issues. I said they'd be the first to throw her under the bus if she did return and then somehow made others ill. She actually has some symptoms and won't be returning for a few weeks, though she thinks she's just unwell. But the pressure she was put under to lie was instant and strong.

I'm kinda in the same boat. First off all my bi-weekly Covid tests have been negative. But the list of symptoms I'm asked when I'm screened to go to work each day are ridiculous, and if I say yes to anything of them I'll probably be forced to go home without pay for two weeks. So I have to lie about some stuff because I know its not Covid related and I can't afford to miss two weeks of work.

Now two months ago I did get sick, a cold from a resident a few days before I was starting a planned vacation. I didn't know for sure if it was a just a cold or Covid so I did inform my supervisor. I was instructed to "start my vacation early." I was fine with that.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The US has, and continues, to spectacularly botch this virus.
200k dead and it is not even close to over.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

My sister teaches in a school in England where they had confirmed cases. She was teaching a class that had siblings of one of the confirmed coronavirus cases. Of course she's been within a meter of the kids as despite having a two metre ruling they're little kids and go everywhere. She was pressured to lie by the head teacher to say she hadn't been near the kids and was okay to work immediately. This will happen all the time. Head teachers under pressure will start cheating here and there and it'll cause issues. I said they'd be the first to throw her under the bus if she did return and then somehow made others ill. She actually has some symptoms and won't be returning for a few weeks, though she thinks she's just unwell. But the pressure she was put under to lie was instant and strong.

I'm kinda in the same boat. First off all my bi-weekly Covid tests have been negative. But the list of symptoms I'm asked when I'm screened to go to work each day are ridiculous, and if I say yes to anything of them I'll probably be forced to go home without pay for two weeks. So I have to lie about some stuff because I know its not Covid related and I can't afford to miss two weeks of work.

Now two months ago I did get sick, a cold from a resident a few days before I was starting a planned vacation. I didn't know for sure if it was a just a cold or Covid so I did inform my supervisor. I was instructed to "start my vacation early." I was fine with that.


I hope you stay safe buddy! My work tests us every day too at the grocery store. There are so many symptoms they ask about your bound to have some without having the virus. Whenever I get a symptom I start to worry, but then the symptoms go away pretty quickly.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I should clarify, when I say tests us I mean check our temperature and ask if we have symptoms.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

The new UK semi-lockdown is a bit like Gremlins.
As long as you don't feed it after midnight...sorry, 10pm...its okay.
And you're safe as long as where you are has a till.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I say, I say, I say - here on animal farm we all have to do our bit. We take our pumpkin in the morning. We appreciate our mid-day Pumpkin, and we double on up our everning/night-time pumpkin to eke it out for just that little bit longer. But, all in all, we truly love our PUMPKIN. Don't we, pumpkins?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I've never tried pumpkin, I don't think I've missed much.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Oh dear, that's another one that doesn't know what's good for them.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2020 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

I'm sure its happening plenty but there was an incident locally where the parents sent their child to school with the virus knowing they had it. I wonder what the repercussions are?

Anyway, I still take my temp before work and then at work.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2020 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)


It gets mighty lonely on those remote farms and I'm sure those pumpkins are very popular with some farmers.

Anyway, onto more serious matters...... in the Guardian today they are talking about how the virus is panicking people in Germany and shoppers are stocking up on essentials, especially sausages and cheese.
It is said they are preparing for something that they call the Wurst Kase scenario.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2020 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

It gets mighty lonely on those remote farms and I'm sure those pumpkins are very popular with some farmers.

Anyway, onto more serious matters...... in the Guardian today they are talking about how the virus is panicking people in Germany and shoppers are stocking up on essentials, especially sausages and cheese.
It is said they are preparing for something that they call the Wurst Kase scenario.


Bravo,.my dear chap.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2020 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It gets mighty lonely on those remote farms and I'm sure those pumpkins are very popular with some farmers.

Anyway, onto more serious matters...... in the Guardian today they are talking about how the virus is panicking people in Germany and shoppers are stocking up on essentials, especially sausages and cheese.
It is said they are preparing for something that they call the Wurst Kase scenario.


Hahahaha! Good one.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 11:09 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

From Boxoffice:

"Until earlier this month, this weekend had been slated to see the release of STX’s Gerard Butler-led disaster thriller, Greenland. That film is now unset with a tentatively planned fourth quarter release. Today, Disney also announced that Marvel Studios’ Black Widow has been delayed from November 6 to May 7, 2021, while Death on the Nile has shifted from October 23 to December 18 this year."

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2020 - 2:19 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Well all these films are going to be taking a pittance of what they would have done. I wonder what the financial state of the big studios is, grim I'd think. The new Bond, No Time To Die, has an estimated budget of $250,000,000, they'll be lucky to get a quarter of that back through the box office now. Maybe this could be the start of much lower budget films.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2020 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Well all these films are going to be taking a pittance of what they would have done. I wonder what the financial state of the big studios is, grim I'd think. The new Bond, No Time To Die, has an estimated budget of $250,000,000, they'll be lucky to get a quarter of that back through the box office now. Maybe this could be the start of much lower budget films.

Yeah, there's really no point in releasing your big ticket films in the theater. I feel bad for the theater owners and their employees. How much longer can they survive like this?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

First, a huge thank you to the FSMers who bolstered my spirits a few weeks ago. I've really found this thread to be extremely helpful in getting snapshot glimpses of how folks in other places are experiencing this pandemic. My own views are limited by the choices I've made to continue to work, but socially distance in every other way as much as possible. I go to work on the subway, do my job in a small Townhouse office building with few staff on any given day, and then commute home again on the subway. Grocery shop every two weeks. Get everything else delivered to my office so I don't go in any other stores (except a few drop-offs to a local UPS store a block from my office).

I'm responsible for purchasing PPE for our agency, so I am hands-on in making sure my office is as safe as possible. We've put enhanced HVAC filters on our system and in other sites, have a stand alone air filtration system in our shared conference room, and have installed self-cleaning door sleeves on all common doors. We have a substantial supply of PPE going forward that will hopefully be enough to withstand the expected Fall/Winter uptick. I'm sure it has been psychologically positive that I order these supplies. Might be a "false positive" I know.

I see New York now only during the subway trips and my walks through my own neighborhood and the one in which I work. There are lots more people during evening subway commutes, but about the same few during the morning -- I'm sure this has to do with so many people still working from home and the odd off-kilter work environment now. During the evening commute it is difficult to maintain social distancing -- but I usually hold out until I can enter a subway car with just a few people and who are all wearing masks. If someone is sitting alone not wearing a mask, not speaking, more than 6 feet from anyone, I tend to just ignore them and pull my own mask tighter against my face and pray for them.

I am interestingly seeing almost 100% mask usage on the subway -- about the same as before on the Streets with my local Brooklyn neighborhood having more compliance than my Manhattan work neighborhood. There are more people out and about in both areas -- and traffic in Manhattan continued to increase almost daily this week. Taxis seem to be available now in my neighborhood in the AM, but I simply can't budget that expense, or Ubers, at the moment.

I am wondering how the rest of the City is doing -- my two best friends who live on the Upper West Side are practising strict distancing and socially isolating as much as possible. They seem to report less mask adherence in their neighborhood than I see in mine. So many variables.

There seems to be interest now in Vitamin D as both a preventive and treatment method. There was a study published about a group of about 8,000 patients in Israel that seemed to offer positive indicators when people have adequate Vitamin D, or are put on aggressive Vitamin D supplementation if they have a deficiency. Those studies are readily available if anyone wants to look them up.

So…feeling bolstered a bit by friends, co-workers, and you-all. Thanks!

Edit: The Israeli study:

https://febs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/febs.15495

 
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