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 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Gentlemen, how 'bout you agree to disagree and move on. The thread has become a two-man tennis match, and unless there is a prize for winning the debate, I don't see anything positive coming from the argument. Thanks.

DSS

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Ebab   (Member)

So what are we to make of THIS artwork? Is Robby gonna fire up his vibrating attachments with Altaira?

I will actually try to give you an honest answer here (in the certainty that it’ll be wasted like everything else).

When I was trying to find movie posters in the Internet with that particular pose – hero carrying helplessly attractive victim – I found some, but I found that another combination was way more common, that of the monster/vampire/pervert carrying the helplessly attractive victim. There is a nice blog on the subject here: http://my-retrospace.blogspot.com/2009/10/monsters-really-like-carrying-chicks_07.html, and an even more … niche-oriented site here: http://lordcarry3.tripod.com/index.html, which have tons of examples, from decades of films, pulps also. Obviously, this was a rather consistently successful subject, or image.

So I believe potential movie-goers were pretty much familiar with the hero-carrying-victim image, but even more familiar with the sick-monster-carrying-victim image. What did they make of Robby carrying that voluptuous blonde? He doesn’t look very frightening, he doesn’t look sexual, but he doesn’t really look like a hero either. He is tall though, and does look strong, and black … but the gadgets in his head are really goofy. Still, how would it work …?

And Charles, you can say “sick” as much you like (I know, all your own phantasies carry G rating), but this is how movie tickets are sold. This poster makes people wonder, and that’s already half the admission. It's a play with expectations.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Here is the problem: Nobody here has been trying to question your own perception of the movie.

That's not true. The original poster did not simply post his own perception (which he is of course 100% entitled to and I would never argue against).
Instead he claimed that the artists involved consciously planted homoerotic content in the picture. So the discussion (from my side at least) isn't about the poster's personal perception of anything, but rather his ridiculous collection of "evidence" that is presented to suggest the rest of us have perceived the artists' work incorrectly and that we missed intentionally placed homoerotic "signals".
So yes, the original poster DOES question our own perceptions.

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Ebab   (Member)

Here is the problem: Nobody here has been trying to question your own perception of the movie.

That's not true. The original poster did not simply post his own perception (which he is of course 100% entitled to and I would never argue against).
Instead he claimed that the artists involved consciously planted homoerotic content in the picture. So the discussion (from my side at least) isn't about the poster's personal perception of anything, but rather his ridiculous collection of "evidence" that is presented to suggest the rest of us have perceived the artists work incorrectly and that we missed intentionally placed homoerotic "signals".
So yes, the original poster DOES question our own perceptions.


False. Dave didn't say a word about intentions, and he didn't say a word that the observations he made ruled out other perceptions.

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

False. Dave didn't say a word about intentions

Quote: "Later on, Kit says that 'I'm the boss and you've gotta do what I say'. (Indeed). Further on, he tells the seemingly mute Friday that 'You're going to learn English if I have to sit on your chest'. (indeed again).
Of course, Kit wears only his tight black tee shirt or no shirt throughout the film. There are more segments, but did anyone else pick up on these 'signals'?"

To me, that clearly says he considers the "signals" to be intended.
I say that in my opinion they weren't.
We beg to differ.
The discussion doesn't go beyond that for me.

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 4:33 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)


Ebab- I made the "sick" comment about the statement Ron made about the poster image which corrupted what the FILM portrayed in that same scene as an act of selfless heroism (Kit saving Friday) and nothing to do with "big bad astronaut" sexual dominance.


As if that excuses the ugliness of your name-calling!


Thaxton's words:

Ebab you are SO wrong. I look at the poster and see the scene where Kit is helping Friday escape from the mining camp...totally non-sexual in any aspect. I am not "blocking" anything out. Just because Friday is not wearing many clothes....the poster depicts our hero saving an unfortunate guy. HE'S NOT DRAGGING AN UNCONSCIOUS STUD BACK TO HIS CAMP TO RAVAGE HIM.

That's YOUR imagery, Mr. Thaxton, and I phrased my comment (repeated below) based on IT.

Ebab replied:
Hey, this goes beyond my wildest expectations. Where do you come up with this stuff?

Thaxton wrote:
Where do YOU get that the half naked guy in the poster is "attractive" when you can't even see a face?

To which I smirked/sneered:
Gosh...maybe it's the torso...all muscled up and at the mercy of the big bad astronaut? The Friday in the film was not remotely muscular in this regard.

Again, tongue-in-cheek, and referencing the artist's work rather than a realistic portrayal of that scrawny Friday ... not to mention your unwillingness to accept that Ebab might find that torso attractive without it being ugly or sick or too icky to be verbalized.

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

R. Pulliam said:

This thread has been befouled by the most inane stubborness I've had the displeasure of witnessing in my lifetime.



And you are not one of the stubborns?

Geez, give me a break. And open your eyes.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 11:11 PM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

I've got one person on ignore (from way back) but now there's another that's been added on this list as he seems to have issues that go far beyond anyone pointing out that a favorite and cherished film he saw in his childhood has homoerotic themes. It's gotten too ridiculous actually. He said, initially, 'stop forcing this stuff on us'. And what does he do, he comes back again and again and again. He protests too much [/]. It's very strange.
I think his greatest fear will be that sometime, in the near future when no one is around he'll see 'Robinson Crusoe on Mars' again. And something unseemly could (omg) happen to him. He'll know.
This thread has unfortunately run it's course and those of you who answered in intellegent and truthfull manners, thank you.
Intellegent? Nah, but...ah hell, why not?



 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2011 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Hello all! I haven't been following this thread, so forgive me if it has been mentioned before, but I remember reading in an old issue of Starlog or something that the tilte "Robinson Crusoe on Mars" was actually chosen as an in-joke by director Byron Haskin's grandmother. Of Scottish descent, she suggested the title in full awareness that when the Scots talked about the upcoming movie, they'd unwittingly speak in a thick brogue about "Robin's Son Cruisin' M'arse", which, when said quickly, actually was quite subversive in Glasgow in 1964. Some people ended up in prison for saying it, and to this day they don't know why.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2011 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

I think this thread has outlived its value and degenerated into the muck. For the record, the creator of the thread is cool with closing it. Thanks for playing.

DSS

 
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