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Aug 13, 2019 - 8:32 AM
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I don't necessarily agree with you comments regarding the first two films, Oldsmith, but we definitely agree on JP3. A stripped-down, lean 'monster movie' that still adhered to the recipe of the first two -- some exploration/wonder combined with excellent atmosphere, a good, focussed trek/adventure storyline and some fine action setpieces. As I said earlier, the only thing I really didn't care for was that the ending felt kinda rushed; there were some good extra 20-30 minutes of film here.
I don't see or understand the issues that people have with it.
I think Tea Leoni was easily the most annoying JP character ever. The spinosaur looked like the giant machine it was, The whole filmed seemed rushed. It had a very anti-cimactic ending. I could go on and on. Sam Neill was good again however. And why did Grant and Ellie break up?
Agree with you on Tea Leoni, though I dislike her period and yes the ending was a bit anti-climaitc. The rest was "B" movie fun. The Spinosaur vs T-Rex fight is one of my favorite action scenes in all the JP films- just way to short.
Hi solium! Did you know the T rex animatronic in JPIII was the male T rex animatronic from TLW refurbished?
No, but makes sense.
solium, what did you think of the trailer over the cliff scene in TLW? That is one of my favorites from the whole series.
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One thing I never understood is why the sequels take place at a different island. During part I it is discovered that the dinosaurs are reproducing ("nature found a way") and most of them are alive at the end of the movie. So why transfer the action a "second" island instead of going back to the same island (I think it would be more interesting to see the action in the wreckages of the park than on a new island - well, in Jurassic World we got some of that)
This is one of the ways where Jurassic Park the book differs from its movie adaptation. Jurassic Park the book ended much more violently for the park and island it was on, so Crichton was forced to come up with another island.
I have no idea what the explanation was in the movie version of the Lost World, as with you I am not fond of the movie except for the score, so it has been too long. The book is pretty bad as well. Before Lost World, I used to be a huge fan of Crichton's work, but this book and a few of his later ones turned me off from his writing.
Back to the topic, JP3 is a fun B movie with A movie production values, and I enjoy Davis's score. I will happily pick up an expanded version should it ever get released.
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Aug 13, 2019 - 8:56 AM
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Solium
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I don't necessarily agree with you comments regarding the first two films, Oldsmith, but we definitely agree on JP3. A stripped-down, lean 'monster movie' that still adhered to the recipe of the first two -- some exploration/wonder combined with excellent atmosphere, a good, focussed trek/adventure storyline and some fine action setpieces. As I said earlier, the only thing I really didn't care for was that the ending felt kinda rushed; there were some good extra 20-30 minutes of film here.
I don't see or understand the issues that people have with it.
I think Tea Leoni was easily the most annoying JP character ever. The spinosaur looked like the giant machine it was, The whole filmed seemed rushed. It had a very anti-cimactic ending. I could go on and on. Sam Neill was good again however. And why did Grant and Ellie break up?
Agree with you on Tea Leoni, though I dislike her period and yes the ending was a bit anti-climaitc. The rest was "B" movie fun. The Spinosaur vs T-Rex fight is one of my favorite action scenes in all the JP films- just way to short.
Hi solium! Did you know the T rex animatronic in JPIII was the male T rex animatronic from TLW refurbished?
No, but makes sense.
solium, what did you think of the trailer over the cliff scene in TLW? That is one of my favorites from the whole series.
Spielberg at his worst. A cliff that appears out of no where. (just like in the first film) Back end of the trailer opens and you expect someone to fall to their death, but low and behold a perfectly clear pane of glass covers the back of the trailer. WHY? The T-rex's walk away after they push the trailer over the cliff making a rescue and escape easy.
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We know little about the overall island -- could be a cliff or cliffs on it; easy to forgive. We hold up the first film, but it's also riddled with issues like the ones you point out, solium.
But it makes sense to have a trailer with a protective glass barrier when on a island of ... man-eating dino's.
For me, that's one of the best scenes in the film. That glass cracking part was intense in the theater.
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Aug 13, 2019 - 9:56 AM
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danbeck
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It is a shift in the planets, but...
I agree with Thor.
It is superb action set piece, pushed right up to the edge of ludicrous, not past it. The direction and pacing of it, and the production standards show Spielberg's massive skills. And it is stretched to its maximum visceral impact without going too far. That is something that the comic book movies now just fail at. I always wrote off the dinos walking away as, well, they just could not eat them, so they gave up.
For me that scene, the attack on the camp/waterfall and the raptors in the tall grass are the good scenes of Lost World. But the forced plot, Malcon’s daughter beating the raptors with acrobatics, the overlong duration, the San Diego segment, the very weak villain makes it the worse of the original trilogy.
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Plenty of logic holes in the first film as well.
How about the T-Rex can break the wires and climb out onto the track, but minutes later we are shown that's entirely not possible as the park jeep falls over the wall which has a long drop that tall trees don't even reach. That T-Rex would have to have legs four times or more the height it does to get over that wall.
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Aug 13, 2019 - 10:05 AM
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Solium
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It is a shift in the planets, but...
I agree with Thor.
It is superb action set piece, pushed right up to the edge of ludicrous, not past it. The direction and pacing of it, and the production standards show Spielberg's massive skills. And it is stretched to its maximum visceral impact without going too far. That is something that the comic book movies now just fail at. I always wrote off the dinos walking away as, well, they just could not eat them, so they gave up.
Well I agree with you up to the, "Up to the edge of ludicrous" and "Without going too far". Its most certainly ludicrous and gone way to far. If a ten year old conceived that sequence he/she would be told to rewrite it. I've never questioned his mastery as a filmmaker though, even when Spielberg is being ridiculous.
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Aug 13, 2019 - 11:45 AM
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Ado
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It is a shift in the planets, but...
I agree with Thor.
It is superb action set piece, pushed right up to the edge of ludicrous, not past it. The direction and pacing of it, and the production standards show Spielberg's massive skills. And it is stretched to its maximum visceral impact without going too far. That is something that the comic book movies now just fail at. I always wrote off the dinos walking away as, well, they just could not eat them, so they gave up.
Well I agree with you up to the, "Up to the edge of ludicrous" and "Without going too far". Its most certainly ludicrous and gone way to far. If a ten year old conceived that sequence he/she would be told to rewrite it. I've never questioned his mastery as a filmmaker though, even when Spielberg is being ridiculous.
alright, yeah, Steven, on his worst day, out directs almost everyone, especially with action and suspense stuff
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Don Davis soundtrack for Jurassic Park III is not yet in my collection, which is somewhat of a shame, as I have all the other Jurassic Park/World soundtracks.
I can find used copies for around $10.-, but I wonder if its worthwhile to wait for a remastered expansion? While the original JURASSIC PARK soundtrack release was already great, THE LOST WORLD was improved considerably through La-La Land's two subsequent expansions. I wonder how Don Davis's score for JURASSIC PARK III would fare here?
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Sep 22, 2023 - 3:49 AM
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Thor
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Don Davis soundtrack for Jurassic Park III is not yet in my collection, which is somewhat of a shame, as I have all the other Jurassic Park/World soundtracks.
I can find used copies for around $10.-, but I wonder if its worthwhile to wait for a remastered expansion? While the original JURASSIC PARK soundtrack release was already great, THE LOST WORLD was improved considerably through La-La Land's two subsequent expansions. I wonder how Don Davis's score for JURASSIC PARK III would fare here?
I can't comment on the expansion issue, for obvious reasons, but I think III is a worthwhile soundtrack once you wrap your head around the fact that it doesn't have much in terms of awe and wonder (nor did THE LOST WORLD, for that matter) and it's rather a stark action/suspense score -- a weird, but interesting hybrid between Davis' trademark dense/busy style with Williams' more open style. I don't listen to it often, but once I do, I'm struck by its complexity. (For the record, I'm one of the few who really like the film as well, but that's a different story).
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(For the record, I'm one of the few who really like the film as well, but that's a different story).
We recently (about half a year ago or so) re-watched all the "Jurassic Park/World" movies, chronologically starting with JURASSIC PARK and watching about one movie a week.
I kinda like them all. I mean, except perhaps for the first movie, they are all not "milestones in filmmaking", but they are solid entertaining monster fare. That's all they pretend to be, that's all I expect them to be, and they more or less (I am not saying they are all equally good) all deliver. I liked that the JURASSIC WORLD Trilogy is a sequel trilogy to the first JURASSIC PARK Trilogy, rather than a "reboot".
I love John Williams' music for the first two movies (THE LOST WORLD is one of my all time favorite Williams scores), I also like Giacchinos JW scores, and I love Don Davis' music for THE MATRIX movies, so I now need JURASSIC PARC III to fill in the void. :-) It's the only "JURASSIC" score I don't have for some reason.
The best scene in any Jurassic Park/World movie remains the first Tyrannosaurus Rex attack from the first movie (which, interestingly, had no underscore). The way Spielberg sets up the scene, hints here and there at what might be lurking behind the fence, and then, bang!, what at that time (I saw Jurassic Parc the opening week in Los Angeles) was what appeared to be a real life Tyrannosaurus wreaking havoc on two Fords Explorers and its passengers. To this day, this scene not only holds up (probably because most of it was practical effects, with comparatively early CGI very cleverly supporting the illusion), but hasn't been topped in any of the sequels. Nice touch when the T-Rex blows off Sam Neil's hat. None of the other scenes in any of the following Jurassic movies came ever reached that level again, but then again, that's a high level anyway.
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Sep 22, 2023 - 6:14 AM
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Thor
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I kinda like them all. I mean, except perhaps for the first movie, they are all not "milestones in filmmaking", but they are solid entertaining monster fare. That's all they pretend to be, that's all I expect them to be, and they more or less (I am not saying they are all equally good) all deliver.
It's no secret that the first film is my alltime favourite film, and while I agree with you that it succeeds on that level, it wouldn't have that position in my life unless it provided other things beyond that too, primarily an exercise in how we experience film, cognitively (more precisely, the distribution of setpieces -- awe & wonder alternating with suspense pieces -- as well as the underrated aspect of PLACE and MOOD). When I watch the film (which I do at least once a year, usually 2-3 times, as I'm now approaching 100 in total), it's mostly for the first act. I sometimes turn off the film after the T-Rex claws appear on the fence. Not that the rest of the film isn't marvelous too, but it goes into another, more plot-driven gear. It's the first part, the build-up and atmosphere, that is my main attraction to it these days.
Same can be said, albeit to a lesser extent for TLW and to an even lesser (but still excellent) extent in III.
The WORLD movies are closer to what you describe, i.e. straight-forward "creature features", and they do work on that level -- but completely lack the other aspects that made the first three so great. It's a betrayal of the JP recipe, in a way, which saddened me at the time, and still does. But by all means, I've seen the WORLD movies 3-4 times each too, and get enjoyment out of them.
As far as singular sequences are involved, and in terms of sheer kinetic "domino energy", I think the cliff sequence from TLW that henry mentions, is the best of the whole series.
I have no comment on the Giacchino efforts (you probably know what I think of them, given my great distaste for his work in general), but as I said -- I think Davis' score for III has a lot of stuff going for it.
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