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Well, if we wait five or ten years for it to sell out and some time in-between, some other label will no doubt-re-issue it with improved sound, proper channels, maybe some bonus material. Assuming Varese doesn't have in perpetuity rights to the score.
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I'll re-post my question again, since nobody who actually knows for a fact, replied back:
"Composers will change layouts as needed for a score sometimes. So, I'm just asking -- since I don't know! -- how do we know the old release is correct and the new one is not? Maybe it's the new one that is correct."
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I am curious what Silvestri thinks about them fucking up his music...
Anyone has any way to reach him?
While there, ask about the shoddy mp3 files used for his GI Joe score on Varese quite awhile back too! And wasn't Allied half in mono when it was released?
Anyone remember those outrages, which faded away....just like this, unfortunately will too?
Oh, the joys of small pond life, right everyone?
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"...which faded away....just like this, unfortunately will too?"
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Haha.
All these moments, will be lost in time, like...all the other score album fubars...time to sigh.
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I am curious what Silvestri thinks about them fucking up his music...
Anyone has any way to reach him?
While there, ask about the shoddy mp3 files used for his GI Joe score on Varese quite awhile back too! And wasn't Allied half in mono when it was released?
Anyone remember those outrages, which faded away....just like this, unfortunately will too?
I do, and those ones were MUCH more severe and un-fixable (by the consumer) than this one.
I personally spent $40+ on the book Case History of a Film Score to get the accompanying CD with corrected dulcimer overlay placement on Henry Mancini's The Thorn Birds, just to fix my listening copy of the score due to Varese never fixing it. At least I had a way to do so, but it was an expensive one! And IIRC the sound didn't even quite match.
Yavar
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Okay, Discogs tells me this new deluxe edition was mastered by CHAS FERRY & MELINDA HURLEY, so chances are either one or both of them messed it up.
Cary Mansfield was the Exec Producer.
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It's been almost two years since I was in regular touch with Cary, but I'm pretty sure he got the ball rolling on this one before he left Varese (as a regular employee) in early 2022. Maybe he kept working on it as a contract worker after that, I dunno, but it's possible he got that executive producer credit because he took care of all the initial work to get it approved and moving.
Yavar
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I'll re-post my question again, since nobody who actually knows for a fact, replied back:
"Composers will change layouts as needed for a score sometimes. So, I'm just asking -- since I don't know! -- how do we know the old release is correct and the new one is not? Maybe it's the new one that is correct."
Well, certainly Varèse can just say "that mix is intentionally so" and that's it (regardless of whether that was an actual original intention). Whether an orchestral sound is coming more from the left or more from the right speaker... it's not set in stone (though there are of course traditions as to how orchestras are usually seated... for good reason, these are not "arbitrary". However, what is "right" and what is "left" is usually just convention.). Sometimes, a recording or orchestral layout even changes (say, first violins left (they almost always are) and second violins right (instead of all violins left).
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Okay, thanks to users here; got that answer. Between Lokutus' quote from Dennis Sands on how the score was delivered mixed for the film, and the clip Erik provided, I finally know for a fact now that the new release channels are flipped.
But I do have to kind of echo what others said, in my own additional words: If you didn't know the standard orchestra layout or that this release is flipped, you'd not know at all while listening to it -- there'd be no problem. And really, is it that big a deal to most people who do notice? I'm not arguing that it is not annoying and that it is acceptable.
By the way, here is a picture I got from the LSO or LMO years ago from their website, indicating the standard orchestra layout (for those who don't know and want to see); as you can see, many instruments are left unaddressed.
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Okay, thanks to users here; got that answer. Between Lokutus' quote from Dennis Sands on how the score was delivered mixed for the film, and the clip Erik provided, I finally know for a fact now that the new release channels are flipped.
But I do have to kind of echo what others said, in my own additional words: If you didn't know the standard orchestra layout or that this release is flipped, you'd not know at all while listening to it -- there'd be no problem. And really, is it that big a deal to most people who do notice? I'm not arguing that it is not annoying and that it is acceptable.
By the way, here is a picture I got from the LSO or LMO years ago from their website, indicating the standard orchestra layout (for those who don't know and want to see); as you can see, many instruments are left unaddressed.
Agreed. There are various reasons why instruments are seated the way they are and grouped. It has to do with their usual frequencies and dynamic range, resonance, etc. But as you said, theoretically, it could be "the other way" around, and you would still receive the exact same sound.... just flipped. Where you to group the instruments differently, of course you would get a different sound, but if you are doing the exact reverse, you will get the same sound, just reversed. So a lot of people might not even notice. Theoretically, you could also swap channels again on your home stereo or reverse the switch in Audacity/Pro Tools, just as you can flip the image here you provided and flip it back again without any loss in image quality.
And the good news is: unlike some issues (different mixes, missing overlays, distortion, etc.), a mere channel flip on a digital recording is comparatively easy to fix. You could, for example, just rip the CD, flip the channels... and burn the CD again... or listen to the files... or switch the channels on your listening setup. Again, I am not saying you should have to do that and that Varèse shouldn't have better quality control, but at least you could if it bothers you all that much.
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Altering a layout of the orchestra for recording is not the same thing as flipping the mix.
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