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 Posted:   Feb 15, 2020 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

She has a nice voice, the orchestration seemed quite interesting, and it bubbled along in an inoffensive low key way, not really building to anything memorable. I listened to it twice yesterday and have no memory of it at all now, but i didn't think it was bad.

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2020 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Well I heard it and I liked it.

It's very different from the traditional Bond tune, but I suspect it will work just fine against the title sequence.

Also, I think the arrangement is by Zimmer if I'm not mistaken which does include more then a few BOND touches.


Ford A. Thaxton



Well it *does* sound very Zimmerish. Lot’s of drama, not many notes smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2020 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

I'm not quite sure why people can't hear the lyrics, they're coming in loud and clear for me: it's about someone who's been lied to one's whole life that even death itself cannot be trusted. Considering that this represents a shift in Bond's legacy, and as ASMR songs go, this is the goods. Eilish sounds far more adult than what Sheryl Crow tried to belt in Tomorrow Never Dies (but seriously, that WASN'T a five year old singing instead of Crow?)

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2020 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I played the youtube video of this new Bond song the other day. It struck me as sad and vaguely pretty, but not catchy. It doesn't have much of a hook.

But I will say this for it: it seems connected in some vague way to the Bond universe and probably this movie. My problem with "Writing's on the Wall" is that it has nothing whatsoever to with James Bond or the movie it's attached to. Nothing. Is it supposed to reflect the feelings of James Bond? He is NOTHING like that, and would never say those things. Is there any character in the film, to say nothing of a male character, that this song could be speaking for? No.

Purely as a song, "Writing's on the Wall" is much better than "No Time to Die," but at least "No Time" is probably related to its film in some way.

The lowest of the low, in my book: "Another Way to Die." It was both wrong in content and bad in music. For me, it couldn't be worse. Grading on that curve, "No Time to Die" is a huge step up.

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2020 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Well I heard it and I liked it.

It's very different from the traditional Bond tune, but I suspect it will work just fine against the title sequence.

Also, I think the arrangement is by Zimmer if I'm not mistaken which does include more then a few BOND touches.


Ford A. Thaxton


I agree. I watched the trailer and listened to it thoroughly a few times. I then listened to just the song. I think it's Bond perfect and Billie Eilish enunciated clearly. She has a jazzy, silky smooth voice that carries the song perfectly - love the intro.

I cannot wait to see this film. The cast is fantastic - Rami Malek, Lea Seydoux (briefly saw her in The Grand Budapest Hotel) and love Naomie Harris as Moneypenny.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2020 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

I played the youtube video of this new Bond song the other day. It struck me as sad and vaguely pretty, but not catchy. It doesn't have much of a hook.

But I will say this for it: it seems connected in some vague way to the Bond universe and probably this movie. My problem with "Writing's on the Wall" is that it has nothing whatsoever to with James Bond or the movie it's attached to. Nothing. Is it supposed to reflect the feelings of James Bond? He is NOTHING like that, and would never say those things. Is there any character in the film, to say nothing of a male character, that this song could be speaking for? No.

Purely as a song, "Writing's on the Wall" is much better than "No Time to Die," but at least "No Time" is probably related to its film in some way.

The lowest of the low, in my book: "Another Way to Die." It was both wrong in content and bad in music. For me, it couldn't be worse. Grading on that curve, "No Time to Die" is a huge step up.


Absolutely agree on "Another Way to Die".

I'm surprised at your comments on "Writing's on the Wall". By the end of SPECTRE, at least to me, it's pretty clearly connected to the romance between Madeleine and Bond.

"I've been here before / But always hit the floor / I've spent a lifetime running / And I always get away / But with you I'm feeling something / That makes me want to stay" = Vesper, his life as a spy/assassin, and Madeleine

A million shards of glass / That haunt me from my past = Basically, the previous three movies plus the backstory from SKYFALL and SPECTRE. They even show the meaning here by having the images of Le Chiffe, M, Vesper, and Silva in the shards

As for the lyrics regarding a coming storm, stars gathering, and light fading, it's all imagery of some final reckoning or climax, which, in the movie, would be Blofeld and the revelation that he's been behind everything in the Craig film.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2020 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   SonicLester   (Member)

By singing, they mean talking, right? That's all she does.

When are they going to record a decent Bond song?
Every new movie has a title song worse than the previous one.
And Billie- as a singer-is just useless...

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2020 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

With all of the great choices available to them, I still can't fathom why they went with her. Her dull, seemingly over-medicated talk-singing seems antithetical to everything a Bond-theme singer should be. It seems like a desperate move on behalf of the producers to appeal to young people.

I'm giving up on Bond at this point as the producers seem intent on draining every single bit of fun from this series. EON would have to cut me a decent-sized cheque to spend three hours (?) with these dour people with Hans' noise rattling away in the background.




By singing, they mean talking, right? That's all she does.

When are they going to record a decent Bond song?
Every new movie has a title song worse than the previous one.
And Billie- as a singer-is just useless...

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2020 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

With all of the great choices available to them, I still can't fathom why they went with her. Her dull, seemingly over-medicated talk-singing seems antithetical to everything a Bond-theme singer should be. It seems like a desperate move on behalf of the producers to appeal to young people.

I'm giving up on Bond at this point as the producers seem intent on draining every single bit of fun from this series. EON would have to cut me a decent-sized cheque to spend three hours (?) with these dour people with Hans' noise rattling away in the background.




By singing, they mean talking, right? That's all she does.

When are they going to record a decent Bond song?
Every new movie has a title song worse than the previous one.
And Billie- as a singer-is just useless...


Billie did more than talk that style what people say its just "talking" has been around forever do people forget crooners they'd talk for turkeys, different animal.

Aiming this too young folks is negative Adele & Sam Smith were also baby's early 20s, artists before that were also young.

Billie performed above what I expected her lyrics have the correct tones her voice vocally & paces were nice an smooth some-think I thought she'd slip-up on that balance heard fits Bond fine.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2020 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

I still can't fathom why they went with her.



Because $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2020 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Yavar - Dear god what was that?!? Spy? That was amazing!

I like the new song. I think it might be going to the well of miserable tragedy that Writing on the Wall already covered. It does seem a fitting capstone to the Craig Era.

If Zimmer uses it as part of his score (and it seems he's going to) will he be the first Bond composer to use a song he didn't write? Arnold only used the songs he wrote. I don't think Kamen used License to Kill in the score did he?

Ok, I have no idea if Newman used either of the songs for his movies in his score. Anyway, they certainly didn't form the backbone of the score the way the composer written songs have.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2020 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

I have a serious question...This is about the Eligibility The New Bond Song, which is out now...

Since the Song came out A couple months before the film is released, does this mean The Academy will reject on that merit? Just asking Remember past Songs Rejected, The Rose Bette Midlers Song. Or has times changed?

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2020 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

I have a serious question...This is about the Eligibility The New Bond Song, which is out now...

Since the Song came out A couple months before the film is released, does this mean The Academy will reject on that merit? Just asking Remember past Songs Rejected, The Rose Bette Midlers Song. Or has times changed?



OSCAR SONG RULES

C...Is the one I am talking about. It has been splashed every where, before the Movie Comes out....So...If these rules stand...No Time to Die is not eligible. Right ????


II. ELIGIBILITY
A. The work must be created specifically for the eligible feature-length motion picture.
B. The work must be the result of a creative interaction between the filmmaker(s) and the composer(s) and/or songwriter(s) who have been engaged to work directly on the motion picture.
C. The work must be recorded for use in the motion picture prior to any other usage, including public performance or exploitation through any media whatsoever.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2020 - 10:10 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

The Rose wasn’t written for the movie and even had live performances before being picked for the soundtrack.

The current recording of No time tot die was recorded for the movie. It was written for use in the film too.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2020 - 12:19 AM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

LOVED it! The naysayers may complain but c'mon, this is 2020 and if you're yearning for Shirley Bassey (the 60s), Carly Simon (the 70s), Sheena Easton (the 80s) or even Tina Turner (the 90s), then you need to enter to the new millennium rather than yearning for the past. Billie Eilish won 5 Grammys this year and her debut album debuted at no. 1 on Billboard's top 200 list and went on to become the year's best selling album. She's riding a hot streak and that's why bagging her for the Bond film was a coup for the Bond franchise.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2020 - 12:36 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

The Rose wasn’t written for the movie and even had live performances before being picked for the soundtrack.

The current recording of No time tot die was recorded for the movie. It was written for use in the film too.


But...if you look at Academy Rules....The song cannot put out in other media form, without the movie shown first.


As far as The Rose

The Rose" did not receive a nomination for the Academy Award for Best Original Song. Despite not having been recorded prior to the soundtrack of the film The Rose, the song had not been written for the film. According to McBroom, AMPAS inquired of her if the song had been written for the movie, and McBroom answered honestly (that it had not). McBroom did however win the Golden Globe Award for Best Original Song for "The Rose", as that award's governing body, the Hollywood Foreign Press Association (HFPA), does not share AMPAS' official meticulousness over a nominated song's being completely original with its parent film.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2020 - 1:08 AM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

But...if you look at Academy Rules....The song cannot put out in other media form, without the movie shown first.

The Academy states: "an original song consists of words and music, both of which are original and written specifically for the motion picture. There must be a clearly audible, intelligible, substantive rendition (not necessarily visually presented) of both lyric and melody, used in the body of the motion picture or as the first music cue in the end credits."

It says nothing about other media. Both Skyfall and Writing On The Wall from Spectre debuted before the release of the Bond films and they went on to win Oscars for best song so there's your answer. You're misreading the Academy "rules". Skyfall, Spectre and No Time To Die were all written specifically for their films and released after they were written for the films but before the film opens.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2020 - 1:39 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

LOVED it! The naysayers may complain but c'mon, this is 2020 and if you're yearning for Shirley Bassey (the 60s), Carly Simon (the 70s), Sheena Easton (the 80s) or even Tina Turner (the 90s), then you need to enter to the new millennium rather than yearning for the past. Billie Eilish won 5 Grammys this year and her debut album debuted at no. 1 on Billboard's top 200 list and went on to become the year's best selling album. She's riding a hot streak and that's why bagging her for the Bond film was a coup for the Bond franchise.

For financial purposes, sure. For marketing purposes, sure. For marketplace visibility purposes, sure. But for musical purposes - and this is a music forum, not a marketing forum - it's terrible. It's got nothing to do with nostalgia for past decades and everything to do with the lack of musical oomph of a whiny half-speed mumble that's supposedly the musical signature of the biggest action-adventure movie franchise in the world but which adds nothing to that legacy. If this was the theme song to a one-off non-franchise movie, who'd care? But it's a James Bond song and the bar for those is high, and No Time To Die doesn't come anywhere near it - no matter how many Grammys she's won and how many albums she's sold.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2020 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

Its simplicity can be deceiving - but the more I listen to it the more I can detect this song´s power and its great arrangement and mixing.

This will definitely be considered as one of the great Bond songs once people get over the fact that it is different from the previous eras´ songs.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2020 - 3:28 AM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

Dont like the song.Its too...quiet?

 
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