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	Posted:	Nov 3, 2018 - 3:10 PM
	By:	'Lenny Bruce' Marshall (Member)

eez, enough already, Marshall! Decent people won't stand for it!

What about "indecent".
That is pretty much this entire board (except for Tall Guy)

LOL!


	Posted:	Dec 13, 2018 - 1:33 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

The idea that Harold Baines is a legitimate Hall of Famer is probably the most ludicrous thing I have ever seen in my entire life as a baseball fan and seeing the names who have been inducted over the course of the last 40 years. Baines' career was comparable to the likes of Rusty Staub and Ken Singleton, two great players who no one ever seriously saw as Hall of Famers. But because Baines had four cronies on this stupid "Eras Committee" led by his former owner and manager, he got in. No disrespect to Baines personally, but the HOF now has a BIG reason why Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds have to go in.


	Posted:	Dec 14, 2018 - 7:26 AM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

Agree on Harold Baines. Lee Smith was long overdue to enter the Hall IMO. I always said so here. When you look back at his career numbers at the time of his retirement he was certainly deserving to be in there along with other great closers of his generation like Bruce Sutter and Rollie Fingers. I don't know much about these committees doing the voting today, but I'm glad Smith finally made it in.

The Baines election is certainly raising eyebrows around baseball. We shall see which other very good but not great players that had the clock run out long ago in terms of their eligibility will fare down the line.


	Posted:	Dec 31, 2018 - 9:12 AM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

Early free agent signing predictions for 2019. And it's pretty easy.

Manny Machado to the Yankees, Bryce Harper to the Dodgers.

Not sure either will get the ten year deals they seek though. But the money in the hundreds of millions will surely be there. The Dodgers cleared the deck recently to make room for a big money move. And the Dodgers are one of the very limited number of teams who are ready, willing, and able to dole out that kind of cash. And if he can't be a Yankee (Who have showed lukewarm interest) Harper's second choice would certainly be the Dodgers. Then there are the Phillies who could swoop in with a huge offer. They have the cash and have been vocal about it but haven't really spent much of it so far this winter.


	Posted:	Jan 1, 2019 - 9:36 AM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

The situation with Gregorious creates an opening for Machado. There is no room for Harper unless at bare minimum someone took Ellsbury's contract off our hands (the Red Sox are the only team that get life preservers from the Commissioner when it comes to finding ways to get rid of deadweight contracts, as the infamous 2012 deal with the Dodgers demonstrated).

I still feel the Yankees need another pitcher in the rotation. Last year the biggest weakness they had was that they just didn't have true ace starters who you felt would go more than five innings.


	Posted:	Jan 1, 2019 - 2:45 PM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

Machado has said he doesn't want to play third. He wants to go back to shortstop. If Machado is signed, the the big issue down the line when Gregorius comes back is where he will play. Gregorius is a big part of that team. But you also have to wonder how quickly he'll bounce back from injury. My take on it is that Machado would agree to play third if he wants to be a Yankee badly enough. I'm sure it was brought up during the recent contract meetings he had with Yankee brass. And given his recent activity on social media it sure seems like he wants to wear the pinstripes. The money won't be the issue, these are the Yankees after all. It's going to be the third base thing.

If Machado agrees, there's also the issue of what to do with Andujar. He's not a good fielder at third (yet) but he's still very young and has a tremendous upside. Starting with his bat. The Yankees are reluctant to move him (who can blame them) but Andujar could be the centerpiece of a deal to bring them the ace pitcher they seek. I've heard Bumgarner's name brought up a number of times but I don't think San Francisco would move him. He's very popular out there and a direct link to those Championships. But an offer including Andujar may at least make them listen.

I think that if the Yankees could somehow move Stanton's enormous contract to add Harper they'd jump at it. They'd love to have Harper's left handed power bat at Yankee Stadium square in the middle of the lineup. Making the move for Stanton has turned out to be the roadblock preventing Harper from coming to the Bronx. Because the Yankees without a doubt were his first choice. Jeter made Stanton, coming off an MVP year too enticing to pass up. What's done is done. And now here we are. Stanton is a great player, but Harper would have been the better fit. I'm sure quite a few Yankee fans would agree.


	Posted:	Jan 14, 2019 - 2:06 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

There are few people who can be embraced equally by Yankee and Met fans alike for making major impacts on both teams, but Mel Stottlemyre was part of that rare breed. A Yankee pitching legend from 1964-1974, he was the last link to the championship era (having come up during the 64 pennant race and getting three starts in the World Series) just as the team was nearing the new glory days of its history with Munson, Lyle, Nettles etc. but a torn rotator cuff at a time when it couldn't be properly treated ended his career and left him with some bitter feelings.

Mel became a pitching coach and was the Mets pitching coach under Davey Johnson helping to shape the young Dwight Gooden and others who made possible the Mets 1986 run. Then, in 1996, Mel returned to the Yankee family as Joe Torre's pitching coach to be a vital part of that great dynastic run.

In 2000, Mel was diagonsed with multiple myeloma which caused him to miss being part of the 2000 Subway Series. He fought it bravely for 18 plus years before passing away.

RIP.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/14/yankees-and-mets-icon-mel-stottlemyre-dead-at-77/


	Posted:	Jan 22, 2019 - 4:57 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

Congratulations, Mo. There couldn't have been a finer one to be the first ever unanimous election to the Hall of Fame.

Mike Mussina made it across the line, and ironically becomes the greatest Yankee to make the Hall of Fame who never won a championship for them. Seems strange because Mussina just *seemed* to be part of that group the way he fit in with them, and he had postseason heroics in 2001 as the winning pitcher in the Jeter flip game and then his relief work in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, yet he never got to taste the ultimate glory.

Edgar Martinez made it his last year. Once the Veterans Committee made their very bizarre selection of Harold Baines, the case against Martinez became nonexistent. Roy Halladay I have to be honest I never thought of as a first ballot name but he is certainly worthy.

Curt Schilling went up to 61% but he should be in now. Bond and Clemens failed to get above 59% and that remains a disgrace. The 45% of writers who never tip their votes are always the ones who don't vote for him and frankly they should be more open about it because the case against keeping them out is more and more weak IMO. Especially with the looming prospect of a certain somebody from Boston coming up in a few years.

When I saw how little support Andy Pettitte was getting I was afraid he'd fall off the ballot. Ironically he got more votes from that last group of writers and stays on with 9%. I hope the case for him will become more clear in the years to come.

Next year it will be Derek's turn to see if he matches what Rivera accomplished!


	Posted:	Feb 19, 2019 - 11:12 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

RIP, Don Newcombe. The last of the great names of the Boys of Summer of Brooklyn.


	Posted:	Mar 28, 2019 - 6:08 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

Just back from Opening Day, the first one I ever went to. The Orioles roster is comprised of no-names to the point the crowd didn't even boo them when they were introduced! As for the game, a relaxing 7-2 victory. The Yankee lineup can be awesome but pitching for them will be the ultimate key.


	Posted:	Mar 28, 2019 - 6:21 PM
	By:	henry (Member)

My Minnesota Twins just won the opener!


	Posted:	May 28, 2019 - 6:43 AM
	By:	Jim Phelps (Member)

Just saw that Bill Buckner has died, age 69. While he'll forever be remembered for his Game Six 1986 gaffe, Buckner was a quality ballplayer. I would hope his error has been forgiven in light of Boston's four subsequent World Series victories, though it shouldn't have ever come to it being "all Buckner's fault."

He'll always be loved in New York, though.


	Posted:	Aug 1, 2019 - 11:52 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

40 years ago today. I still remember being ten years old and my mother calling down to tell me the news.


	Posted:	Aug 8, 2019 - 11:13 PM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

That was indeed a sad day. The original Mets broadcasters from 1962 Bob Murphy and Ralph Kiner were the voices heard reporting the terrible news during a ballgame they were announcing in the video above. The descriptions of the players on the field reacting to seeing the news on the scoreboard was moving to hear. I always admired and respected Munson. It's a long long time ago now but every so often Thurman's wife Diane Munson appears on Ed Randall's "Talking Baseball" program on WFAN early Sunday mornings to help keep the memories alive. And indeed,Yankee fans call in to talk about their personal memories of Thurman.

Special players bring out the emotions in fans.

For me it's always been Tom Seaver. Seaver has been in ill health for years now. Starting with the Lyme disease he suffered from years ago. Many of us knew about it but did not talk about it much if at all. This year we were informed that he is suffering from dementia and his family has stated that he now is officially retired from public speaking. He will continue to work the fields at his beloved vineyard for as long as he's physically capable but we will never hear from him again. Tom Seaver, the player ALL Mets fans wanted to see and hear at the 50th Anniversary of the '69 Mets was not well enough to attend the events this summer. It obviously was not the same without Tom Seaver actually being there. How could it be?

1969 Met player Art Shamsky wrote a book recently about a journey he made a few years back with a handful of aging players from that 1969 "Amazing Mets" World Championship team to visit their friend at his wine vineyard in California. Jerry Koosman, Ron Swoboda, Bud Harrelson, and Art Shamsky all made the trip. Shamsky was warned before the group even flew out to California by Tom's wife Nancy that "he has his good days and bad days". The sage of pitching was already in the early stages of his decline.

Interesting article about the journey Seaver's 1969 Mets brothers made to visit him in wine country. It looks like they enjoyed being together in better times not so long ago.

https://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2019/06/21/tom-seaver-art-shamsky-1969-mets


	Posted:	Aug 9, 2019 - 9:12 AM
	By:	Jim Phelps (Member)

40 years ago today. I still remember being ten years old and my mother calling down to tell me the news.

I recently read the specifics of Munson's death, and as you both know, it was horrific and incredibly sad.

Munson should be rightly considered among the all-time Yankee greats. However, even as far back as the 1980s, I felt that the Yankees fans of my age--I'm just a few years younger than you, Eric--knew liitle about that tremendous 1976-81 Yankees team--they're still my favorite, and Reggie Jackson remains my favorite Yankee player.


	Posted:	Aug 9, 2019 - 10:22 AM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

Yankee fans who started in the 80s, after the 76-81 run ended I'll agree didn't have much to connect with from that group other than Willie Randolph and Ron Guidry. The team had been turned over so much and they'd stopped winning championships that even for me, 77-78 seemed "long ago" in the late 80s (as ten years ago seems to young children unlike how it seems to us now).

Seaver's illness is sad and unfortunate. My first year, 76 was his last full year with the Mets and also the last year they had a broader group from 69 still there (Koosman, Grote, Garrett, Kranepool) so the 69 team was always easy for me to "connect" with simply because once I read a book about them, I saw names I immediately knew (in contrast, the New York Rangers teams of the early 70s I couldn't connect with because all their star players, Ed Giacomin, Jean Ratelle, Brad Park, had been traded to other teams by the time I got started! And I never could think of Ralph Houk as a Yankee manager because when I started he was in Detroit)


	Posted:	Sep 14, 2019 - 7:31 AM
	By:	Jim Phelps (Member)

Was watching the 1980 ALCS and saw an impressive Yankees team...103-59 record, edging out a strong Orioles team (100 wins) to win the AL East, Reggie Jackson hitting .300, 41 HR, 111 RBI...no more Munson, Rivers, Chambliss, or White, but still a solid contender, yet swept aside by a much-improved and confident Royals team. Brett's banner year and Frank White's ALCS performance. Brett's HR off of Gossage was magnificent.

Lots of odd signings: Jim Kaat and Luis Tiant wore pinstripes? I don't remember that!

I'd be interested in reading your thoughts on that 1980 team, Eric, and Anz, if you're out there.

Is the 1980 squad the best Yankee team not to appear in the World Series?

In the meantime, I'll read this:

https://thesportsnotebook.com/1980-new-york-yankees-sports-history-articles/


	Posted:	Sep 15, 2019 - 3:33 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

The 1980 ALCS was a too abrupt end to a season when it seemed like the Yankees had been firing on all cylinders in September to hold off a challenge from the Orioles for the AL East. The Yankees won 103 games, the Orioles 100 with Steve Stone winning the Cy Young Award with 25 wins (something you'll never see again).

But unfortunately the Yankee offense, much like the underachieving Joe Torre teams of 2005-2006-2007 went completely cold in the ALCS against the Royals. And in going through the radio broadcasts of the final week of the season I have and then seeing the ALCS video, I now realize why Gossage got taken downtown by Brett in Game 3. Gossage hadn't pitched in nearly a week and was clearly not getting movement on his pitches. Howser made a big mistake not having Gossage pitch in relief in Games 1 or 2 (he had Rudy May go the distance in the Game 2 loss) which would have allowed him to be sharp.

But what's really forgotten about Game 3 is how the Yankees blew a chance to come back when they loaded the bases with no one out against Dan Quisenberry but Rick Cerone lined into a rally-killing double play caused by Jackson straying too far off the base. That was the death blow and unfortunately the end for the Yankees and even worse the end of Dick Howser managing the Yankees. Of all the manager firings Steinbrenner did that was the one that hurt most and it always seemed like a greater act of cruelty that Howser ended up managing the Royals and leading them to the 85 WS title when I identified him so much as a Yankee (as third base coach for a decade prior to becoming manager).

I would rate the 1980 team as tied with the 1954 and 2017 teams as the three best to not make the World Series. The 2003 team is the best one I've seen to make the World Series without winning it.

Yes, Luis Tiant signed with the Yankees as a free agent after the 78 season. In Boston he had done all the commercials for "Fenway Franks" and because the makers of Fenway Franks, the Colonial Provision Company, also made "Yankee Franks" he kept his advertising gig for those now. And his line in the commercials in his thick accent, "Eeets great to beee weeeth a WEEN-ER!" (winner/wiener) became a trademark.


	Posted:	Sep 16, 2019 - 9:22 AM
	By:	Jim Phelps (Member)

Love that Tiant ad!

I enjoyed your recolelctions of that 1980 team. The sweep still seems inexplicable, but the Gossage story makes sense and the Royals having Quisenberry also changed things.

The team did manage to briefly turn things around after the tragedy of 1979. It wasn't the same great team it was in 1977-78, but 1980 was perhaps a last gasp for that 1976-81 era. The strike year muddles so much and I find it difficult to make heads or tales of that season. I'm sure you've put that strike year and pennant-winning campaign into perspective, which was Reggie's last year in pinstripes.

The Yankees had 100+ win teams circa 2002-2005, and had that 2004 bullpen not been so wretched, I would argue for their inclusion among best Yankee teams that did not make the World Series.


	Posted:	Sep 16, 2019 - 3:21 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

Ultimately the 2004 collapse comes down to these points.

1-The bullpen was indeed bad by this point because Tom Gordon and others had been grossly overworked all season long which was a bad Torre habit repeated the next three years (and Gordon clearly didn't have the mental toughness to handle postseason pressure).

2-The fact they'd let Pettitte go (granted he was injured much of 04 and wasn't available for the Astros in the NLCS that year) and that they didn't make the trade for Randy Johnson at the deadline. Johnson of course was a bust as a Yankee in 05-06 but I do believe if they have him for the 04 stretch he would have made a difference.

3-The ultimate turning point of the series was A-Rod's failure to drive in a critical insurance run in the 8th inning of Game 5 which would have put them ahead 5-2. When he failed in that moment I had a sick feeling and got vindicated on that point as it turned out.

Ultimately I saw a team that was lacking considerably compared to the 1980 team which I think went cold at the worst time and also didn't manage its pitching right (Tommy John started Game 3 instead of Game 1 because he'd gotten hurt in his final start in Cleveland which cost him his 23rd win).

The 81 team I view more favorably just because the first round playoff series against Milwaukee and the ALCS sweep of Martin's A's did provide some atonement for the 80 ALCS loss. Reggie's Game 5 HR in the ALDS was his last great moment as a Yankee. And a couple weeks before there was this memorable brawl he had with John Denny of Cleveland.

But the 81 World Series was ultimately worse than even the 80 ALCS. Key thing there was the bullpen which was supposed to be unhittable suddenly went bad. People point to the three relief losses of George Frazier but the big failure was Ron Davis. In 1980 and 1981, Davis was arguably the first great set-up relief pitcher there ever was. He was like Mariano Rivera in 1996 in terms of being an unhittable assasin, but in the World Series he suddenly lost control of all his pitches and that really bit the Yankees in the rear in Game 4 (which they should have won). Davis's World Series choke was why Steinbrenner then banished him the next year to the Twins.

Although its true the Yankees ultimately won more matchups against the Royals and Dodgers (I have to admit back then I hated those two teams MORE than I hated the Red Sox), it's always worse if you lose the last matchup. That's why if a scenario like 2004 had to happen I wish it had been in 2003 and then we "atone" the next year.

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