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 Posted:   Dec 27, 2004 - 9:06 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

The lost film was/is Scent of Mystery, the only film released in glorious Smell-o-Vision (well, there was a cartoon released, too, that played in a couple of its engagements, although not when I saw it at the Ritz Theater here in LA). The film was shot in the Todd Process (70mm), and, due to the large cost of outfitting theaters with the smell machine and brain and the piping to each seat, only played in five engagements (maybe - that is a number no one seems to be able to confirm - the closest we get is three to five theaters). When it bombed, the movie languished, obviously, until it was released by both Cinemiracle and Cinerama in a severely truncated and changed form, as Holiday in Spain. They extracted a three-panel version from the 65mm negative. This, too, flopped. Until its TV showing in the late eighties (MTV and some local stations) as a tie-in with 7-11, who provided scratch and sniff cards, this was totally unseen by the majority of the population. That version ran about seventy minutes (Scent of Mystery ran 125, the Holiday in Spain version ran 102, with narration added to help get you from point a to b, etc, along with having its intermission stuck in a totally wrong and stupid place) and the "transfer" shown was achieved by filming the middle portion of a 70mm screen with a video camera. It was the single worst presentation of a film on TV I've ever seen. What I saw last week was a 70mm version of Holiday in Spain - there is some question now whether elements exist at all on the original cut of Scent of Mystery, which would be a shame, as it is a gorgeously photographed film, with a wonderful Mario Nascimbene score, and fun performances by Denholm Elliot, Peter Lorre, Paul Lukas, and Diana Dors.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2004 - 9:50 PM   
 By:   mulan98   (Member)

er' thank you for all the imput.

Anybody got any more thoughts on DIARY OF ANN FRANK ?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2004 - 10:45 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

(Sorry Mulan98, hopefully the discussion will merge back to the movie.)

In the mean time.... "You see Joe, that is why I don't let up on you."
You see Mr. BK, many of us have frequented this board for years as has Joe,
and we've been here a lot longer than you have.

We've learned a lot from each other and in some ways become cyber pals.
I'd say the majority of us consider Joe a movie music buddy and a fine teacher.
We enjoy his stories, knowledge, and expertise, and we don't give a rip if
he is off on a particular movie by 30 minutes. I'm with Dana's comments on this.
You seem to examine Joe's every post just looking for some minor detail
to attack. It is like you stalk him on this board, and I find that disconcerting and
extremely cruel. You're not winning any FSM fans that way. I think that you too
are a fountain of knowledge, and I was delighted when you first arrived. You
have so much to contribute to our hunger for knowledge about film scores. However,
I have a hard time looking past your verbal jabs at Joe, and I think I speak for
many when I say that I wish you would unhook your jaws from him and instead
join us in friendlier fellowship.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2004 - 12:27 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

The lost film was/is Scent of Mystery, the only film released in glorious Smell-o-Vision (well, there was a cartoon released, too, that played in a couple of its engagements, although not when I saw it at the Ritz Theater here in LA). The film was shot in the Todd Process (70mm), and, due to the large cost of outfitting theaters with the smell machine and brain and the piping to each seat, only played in five engagements (maybe - that is a number no one seems to be able to confirm - the closest we get is three to five theaters). When it bombed, the movie languished, obviously, until it was released by both Cinemiracle and Cinerama in a severely truncated and changed form, as Holiday in Spain. They extracted a three-panel version from the 65mm negative. This, too, flopped. Until its TV showing in the late eighties (MTV and some local stations) as a tie-in with 7-11, who provided scratch and sniff cards, this was totally unseen by the majority of the population. That version ran about seventy minutes (Scent of Mystery ran 125, the Holiday in Spain version ran 102, with narration added to help get you from point a to b, etc, along with having its intermission stuck in a totally wrong and stupid place) and the "transfer" shown was achieved by filming the middle portion of a 70mm screen with a video camera. It was the single worst presentation of a film on TV I've ever seen. What I saw last week was a 70mm version of Holiday in Spain - there is some question now whether elements exist at all on the original cut of Scent of Mystery, which would be a shame, as it is a gorgeously photographed film, with a wonderful Mario Nascimbene score, and fun performances by Denholm Elliot, Peter Lorre, Paul Lukas, and Diana Dors.

Perhaps Liz Taylor "owns" the elements as her stepson was involved with the production. Like AROUND THE WORLD, Taylor let the WORLD elements fall into disarray until Warner took control and did a pretty good restoration job.

Has anyone here listen to or own the Columbia Records soundtrack album? At one time, years ago, I atttempted to located a copy. When I did, the price was always so high, I finally gave up.

I do have a copy of the souvenir program with the "flexi" record of samples enclosed. But I never dislodged it from the book.

the "other" Joe

np RETURN OF THE KING

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2004 - 12:56 AM   
 By:   moviejoemovies   (Member)

I purchased a Stereo Copy of the LP to "Scent of Mystery" a few years ago for (would you believe?)$6.00 . It was an Internet Sale from an Old Records Dealer. I did not purchase it to sell but a year later my wife lost her job and I had to start selling some of my sacred cows on Ebay. It is a Very Good Score full of cool, jazzy music...and a Title Song by Eddie Fisher (you know-Producer Mike Todd Jr -Stepmother Liz Taylor- Then/Husband Eddie Fisher) By the way, did you ever try wrapping a Cow for Shipment through the mail ?

The Other Other Joe

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2004 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I purchased a Stereo Copy of the LP to "Scent of Mystery" a few years ago for (would you believe?)$6.00 . It was an Internet Sale from an Old Records Dealer. I did not purchase it to sell but a year later my wife lost her job and I had to start selling some of my sacred cows on Ebay. It is a Very Good Score full of cool, jazzy music...and a Title Song by Eddie Fisher (you know-Producer Mike Todd Jr -Stepmother Liz Taylor- Then/Husband Eddie Fisher) By the way, did you ever try wrapping a Cow for Shipment through the mail ?

The Other Other Joe


I'm sure this is impossible, but it seems to me that at the time THE SCENT OF MYSTERY was released (I remember reading all about it and the marvels of Smellovision) I acquired a 45 (single) of a song (the title song I should think) from the film, sung not by Eddie Fisher but by some guy named Haskell (no, it wasn't Eddie Haskell, but I can't think of his first name). Does this connect with anybody's knowledge of the film and its related events?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2004 - 4:06 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Here is the soundtrack info:

It was not on Columbia - Scent of Mystery was on Ramrod Records, the only release, I believe. The 45 featured Eddie Fisher and is available quite often on eBay. The 45 that was included in the souvenir book is sung by Jack Haskell, but I don't think that version was available on a commercially released 45. There was also another 45 released by some weird instrumental group, which also shows up on eBay from time to time.

To Joan Hue: I feel your pain. I don't purposely look for things in Joe's posts and, in fact, lately I just skip them because I know that to not do so might require a response. I'm sure Joe has a lot of knowledge - some of it accurate, some not, but he presents it all as if it were absolute fact and that is what annoys me because that is how mis-information gets spread and becomes legend. I haven't really come after him in quite a while, and the only reason I responded to him today was because he pulled a full weasel on something that he admitted he was in error about. That to me is not fair play.

But, I'm just going to ignore him and let his occasional mis-information be believed and I suppose that's fine, except it ain't reality. I'm a bit bored of the little cliques here anyway. I just pass on information I happen to have real knowledge about - but nobody really cares, so people know where to find me if they need answers to questions - and if I can provide them I'll be happy to.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2004 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

"but nobody really cares." We do care about your knowledge and insight, and we learn from you. Appreciate your response.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2004 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

I am with Joan on this one. I always find Joe Capps and Haineshisway very informative, it's a pity about the disagreements, but on the other hand it does make for healthy historical debate, and does provide us 'spring chickens' ho ho ! with fascinating reading and insight's. But let's not fall out at this special time of the year. We need Joe and Haineshisway on this board.
Niall.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2004 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Oh, and Other Joe: Liz Taylor does not own the elements any more - all of it was sold and now resides elsewhere.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2004 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Well I'm old enough to remember THE SCENT OF MYSTERY, enough to remember that there were a lot of jokes about it at the time it was released. I remember seeing ads for it in the paper, but that was probably the New York Times, which my father always bought every Sunday, even though we lived outside of Pittsburgh. (So I was brought up with an awareness that there were other, more literate, newspapers available. In fact, I still subscribe to the Sunday Times, even though I now live in San Diego.)

You're certainly right about its reception. At the time, it was right up there with the Edsel in popularity.

Then maybe it was the idea of Eddie Fisher as a leading man that may have seemed even more hilarious. After the failure of this movie, his career seems to have stagnated, with his chief claim to fame after this being later cuckolded by Richard Burton.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2004 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Eddie Fisher's leading man status ended with Bundle of Joy, when he was married to Debbie Reynolds.

Eddie didn't appear in Scent of Mystery at all -he just did the cover version of the two songs, Scent of Mystery and The Chase, neither of which are actually sung in the film. The cast includes Denholm Elliot, Peter Lorre, Paul Lukas, Beverly Bentley (WEHT), Diana Dors, and, in a cameo at the end of the film, Liz herself.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2011 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Does anyone know exactly why Alfred Newman's masterpiece "TDOAF" has not been released on CD.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2011 - 1:44 AM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Does anyone know exactly why Alfred Newman's masterpiece "TDOAF" has not been released on CD.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

It would not be profitable?

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2011 - 2:04 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Does anyone know exactly why Alfred Newman's masterpiece "TDOAF" has not been released on CD.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

It would not be profitable?


That´s hardly the reason considering Varese Club releases of Alfred Newman´s scores that sell pretty well and most of them is either gone or has low quantity warning. Also Diary of Anne Frank is one of the major scores and would sell IMHO very well.
The last time I´ve heard anything it was some difficulties with the label that released original LP that caused difficulties with possible expanded CD release but maybe that was just a rumor and there is any other reason (e.g. masters are gone or damaged beyond repair).
In that case this is one of Alfred Newman that would really deserve to be re-recorded with modern sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2011 - 3:37 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Definitely something up with this. I would have thought that the 50th aniversary edition Blu-ray would have an isolated music track, but no. The trouble with a new recording is that you don't get Alfred Newman conducting it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2011 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Does anyone know exactly why Alfred Newman's masterpiece "TDOAF" has not been released on CD.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

The main stumbling block has always been presented as legalities pertaining to the Fox LP library, of which "TDOAF" was a part. "Someone" owns it...possibly a couple of someones in the greater scheme of things...and it's a legal entanglement that the smaller labels just haven't been able to cut through...or so I've gathered.

Yes, "some" soundtracks that were issued on the Fox LP label "have" made it to CD. I don't know what the issue is with what some think of as Newman's masterwork.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2011 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Well the LP was 20th Fox Records, so now it should be UMG (via Polygram), but Intrada & Varese have released UMG owned recordings, so there must be more to it than that. I suppose it's a case of wait & hope.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2011 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I'm awaitin' and hopin'!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2011 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Totally off subject, I'm totally frustrated by the Stromberg/Morgan recording of Newman's music on the Naxos label.

Three outstanding score; "All About Eve", "Beau Geste" and "THOND" all but ruined by the horrid sound engineer. Sounds like they were recorded in a tunnel a mile away. Just wondered how Mr. Stromberg and Mr Morgan could allow this ghastly recording to be released this way?


Any chance this valuable recording could be remastered?



I tried to find a link to this recording thru the search engine but no luck.

 
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