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 Posted:   Jul 15, 2021 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I just got an e-mail from Varese saying it's on the way. Yay!

(Now about that eBay seller...)


Hi Scott! I'm sorry to hear that, that's frustrating. You should order from Soundtrackers, I do whenever I can, he's a great seller!

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2021 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

In an only slightly related note, I recently ordered a CD from an eBay seller oft criticized on this Message Board, and received in the mail instead an LP. Do they not know the difference, or do they just not care?

It can be very confusing. I'm constantly trying to play CD's on my turntable! big grin

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

I'll give Varese some praise here. I ordered this title from their UK site a week ago and today it was delivered to my home here in the states. Excellent service.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

I am listening to the Deluxe Editon and it's just awesome!

The sound is much more crisp and heavy than the old mix.

I really do not understand why some people bash the Hungarian Orchestra perfomance. It may not be flawless as other more professional ones, but it is not bad or even mediocre! And I do not think Jerry would allow a bad performance on one of his scores. Just see what he did on Total Recall when the orchestra was not able to do it the way he wanted.

This bashing of non-USA-English orchestras we see a lot here from the usual suspects sounds a lot more like pseudo-intelectual xenofobic snob babling than some real criticism.

Besil Ratboner: "Uh this horrible orchestras from third world countries sounds nothing like my London Symphony!"


Hungarian Orchestra players should fart on your general direction!

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Futhermore, people keep saying that Jerry used keyboards to hide de bad performance from the orchestra.

But this is bull**** because I just listened the more complex cues like "Failed Knight", "Mathilda", "Final Fight" or "King Richard" and there's almost no keyboards on it!

Jerry uses keyboards like he always use: as solo instruments to add color to the music and almost never to double the orchestra.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)


This bashing of non-USA-English orchestras we see a lot here from the usual suspects sounds a lot more like pseudo-intelectual xenofobic snob babling than some real criticism.

Besil Ratboner: "Uh this horrible orchestras from third world countries sounds nothing like my London Symphony!"

Hungarian Orchestra players should fart on your general direction!





Strange. I've made no comment about the orchestra. Only about the synths.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Futhermore, people keep saying that Jerry used keyboards to hide de bad performance from the orchestra.
.


For me they are cheap out of place and a distraction. I can live with so called bad performances from musicians.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)


For me they are cheap out of place and a distraction. I can live with so called bad performances from musicians.





I am glad to see criticisms or comparisons of orchestra performers and soloists. The differences make musicians aspire to be better and to be the best.
When was the last time a synth "musician" was accused of not being good enough in a film score? A particular sound might be disliked, but the actual performance never seems to be criticized. Did anyone ever hear "The synth soloist was sub-standard and xxx xxxx would have performed better"?
Maybe admirers of Lionheart or other scores can tell us what it is about the synth soloist that makes his or her performance so admirable and noteworthy, and why that performance is superior to those of their peers.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

There are some parts of this that would be right at home in his score for Poltergeist II composed around the same time period. I'm enjoying the hell out of this soundtrack.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Futhermore, people keep saying that Jerry used keyboards to hide de bad performance from the orchestra.
.


For me they are cheap out of place and a distraction. I can live with so called bad performances from musicians.


I do not like some of the synths Jerry used.

But the orchestra performance is not bad at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2021 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Futhermore, people keep saying that Jerry used keyboards to hide de bad performance from the orchestra.
.


For me they are cheap out of place and a distraction. I can live with so called bad performances from musicians.


I do not like some of the synths Jerry used.

But the orchestra performance is not bad at all.


I finally received this in the mail and finally listened to it. I think the orchestra's performance is just fine as well. I think the only downside is either the recording engineer / mic placement wasn't done to the highest quality for the material on Disc One, or perhaps the master elements weren't great. But at times the sound can seem a little soft without clear-enough definition for the instruments making some of the performances sound muddled. But the musicianship seems just fine.

The synths don't bother me either and they sound very nicely mixed into the final mix (I think they must have been played and recorded live in the space?). Every once in a while a sound sample seems "too synth" but nothing that bothers me.

The music itself definitely has kernels that would sprout into tons of Goldsmith's 90's action writing, but overall I enjoyed the music a lot!

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2021 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Futhermore, people keep saying that Jerry used keyboards to hide de bad performance from the orchestra.
.


For me they are cheap out of place and a distraction. I can live with so called bad performances from musicians.


I do not like some of the synths Jerry used.

But the orchestra performance is not bad at all.


I finally received this in the mail and finally listened to it. I think the orchestra's performance is just fine as well. I think the only downside is either the recording engineer / mic placement wasn't done to the highest quality for the material on Disc One, or perhaps the master elements weren't great. But at times the sound can seem a little soft without clear-enough definition for the instruments making some of the performances sound muddled. But the musicianship seems just fine.

The synths don't bother me either and they sound very nicely mixed into the final mix (I think they must have been played and recorded live in the space?). Every once in a while a sound sample seems "too synth" but nothing that bothers me.

The music itself definitely has kernels that would sprout into tons of Goldsmith's 90's action writing, but overall I enjoyed the music a lot!


The booklet says that:

"Goldsmith did the synths overlays himself in London, at the now-extinct CBS studios where the score was mixed"

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2021 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Futhermore, people keep saying that Jerry used keyboards to hide de bad performance from the orchestra.
.


For me they are cheap out of place and a distraction. I can live with so called bad performances from musicians.


I do not like some of the synths Jerry used.

But the orchestra performance is not bad at all.


I finally received this in the mail and finally listened to it. I think the orchestra's performance is just fine as well. I think the only downside is either the recording engineer / mic placement wasn't done to the highest quality for the material on Disc One, or perhaps the master elements weren't great. But at times the sound can seem a little soft without clear-enough definition for the instruments making some of the performances sound muddled. But the musicianship seems just fine.

The synths don't bother me either and they sound very nicely mixed into the final mix (I think they must have been played and recorded live in the space?). Every once in a while a sound sample seems "too synth" but nothing that bothers me.

The music itself definitely has kernels that would sprout into tons of Goldsmith's 90's action writing, but overall I enjoyed the music a lot!


The booklet says that:

"Goldsmith did the synths overlays himself in London, at the now-extinct CBS studios where the score was mixed"


Ooh interesting. I just started flipping through the booklet now. What a fascinating backstory for the film and too bad that it didn't get a proper US release.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2021 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Finally my copy is here. First time via International Varese. Great packaging!!

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2021 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I got my copy a few days ago but still haven't had a chance to open it (crazy work period, seven days a week, sometimes 13-14 hours a day). Glad to finally hold it though!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2021 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

I got my copy a few days ago but still haven't had a chance to open it (crazy work period, seven days a week, sometimes 13-14 hours a day). Glad to finally hold it though!

Yavar


Yavar, congratulations on your production credit on the CD. I saw that and thought "Hey, we know that guy!" smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2021 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Buttons   (Member)

I'm really loving this score! Can't get the themes out of my head. In my CD player right now: Lionheart, Extreme Prejudice, and the Wind and the Lion. Fun times. All really good. First time listening to any of these scores.


Yavar, congratulations on your production credit on the CD. I saw that and thought "Hey, we know that guy!" smile


And they spelled his name correctly so it doesn't have to be re-pressed again. big grin Jens Dietrich is in the "special thanks" section too. He used to be a regular on various message boards back in the day.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2021 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Just finally got mine. I forgot just how great this score is. Now to read the liner notes…

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2021 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Thanks, Adam!

Buttons, I brought my Goldsmith Odyssey podcast colleagues Jens, Clark, and David in to help on this which is why they are all in the special thanks section. (I also reached out to Douglass Fake, Leigh Phillips, and maybe a couple others I’m forgetting who helped in some way and are therefore in the special thanks.) Jens and Clark will be the first to tell you they each just helped a little bit, but David helped a lot, particularly for Tim Greiving on his liner notes because he restored a huge chunk of the unused music to picture (FSM Online subscribers can see a large amount of his work in the last two issues of the magazine).

I explain some further details here:
https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/33732-jerry-goldsmiths-lionheart-1987-new-2021-2cd-varese-deluxe-edition/&do=findComment&comment=1806414

And David and I talk a bit more about what we did on this near the end of our Soundtrack Spotlight podcast episode here:
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/8621034-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-lionheart-1987

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2021 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Buttons   (Member)

Thanks, Adam!

Buttons, I brought my Goldsmith Odyssey podcast colleagues Jens, Clark, and David in to help on this which is why they are all in the special thanks section. (I also reached out to Douglass Fake, Leigh Phillips, and maybe a couple others I’m forgetting who helped in some way and are therefore in the special thanks.) Jens and Clark will be the first to tell you they each just helped a little bit, but David helped a lot, particularly for Tim Greiving on his liner notes because he restored a huge chunk of the unused music to picture (FSM Online subscribers can see a large amount of his work in the last two issues of the magazine).

I explain some further details here:
https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/33732-jerry-goldsmiths-lionheart-1987-new-2021-2cd-varese-deluxe-edition/&do=findComment&comment=1806414

And David and I talk a bit more about what we did on this near the end of our Soundtrack Spotlight podcast episode here:
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/8621034-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-lionheart-1987

Yavar


Ah. That was an interesting story you posted on jwfan and some good detective work. I have to admit I was a little skeptical about your podcast when I first heard about it a couple of years ago. Decided to give it a try earlier this year and I really like it. It's professionally done and a great listen. I especially like the composer and producer interviews (the Brian Tyler one was really good).

 
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