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 Posted:   Jan 8, 2011 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Here you go, Bruce. It'll save having to type. wink



looks 'acoustic' to me
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2011 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

It's a machine that records and replays an acoustic sound. If you record an entire acoustic symphony on a tape machine and play it back is that electronic music?

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2011 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Nope. No more than a picture of a dog is an actual dog.

big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2011 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

I thought you might say that, Heath. But you do compose, right? I get the impression that the main title leaves a whole load of room for improvisation. Hence my going on about musical timing, or punctuation. Because alot of the inventiveness in his scores (at least to me) is in the emphasis in the musical phraseology. Jeff once wrote that he had musical structure in his bones. I'd really like to have seen the jamming sessions for this piece. Imagine that?

Yeah, I think his scores from those days did have that organic, slightly unstable quality about them producing music that no matter how many times you listen to it seems to be about to go off in a unexpected direction from one second to the next. A few other composers had this quality too, like North and Fielding - improvisational in spirit if not in practice. I think this was a mark of the progressive times (60s/70s) when fewer boundaries existed and fewer people could tell them they COULDN'T do it. But in later years, Goldsmith seem to lose a bit of that, imo, preferring to write more systematically. He wasn't alone. Nowadays virtually every new score I hear is so sewn up and "strict" that there's no organic room left. No intuitive silences for US to play in. One score after the other is a boring, over-produced, predictable, interchangeable fait accompli.

Here's Tom with the weather..........

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2011 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Like Heath says, fundamentally we are all made of electron and proton groupings. As far as I know, atoms are electrically neutral. So a definition would start somewhere there, I imagine. That's as far as I go.

Edit: Thankyou, Heath. You nailed it exactly. I, too, prefer the 'qauntum' Goldsmith.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2011 - 6:50 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

It's a machine that records and replays an acoustic sound. If you record an entire acoustic symphony on a tape machine and play it back is that electronic music?


Jeffrey, jeffrey, jefrey..
you disappoint me frown

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2011 - 8:39 PM   
 By:   Zero Day Releasing   (Member)


looks 'acoustic' to me


I believe the word you're looking for is analog. It doesn't look acoustic at all.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2011 - 11:26 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

He's being sarcastic but I think you are getting somewhere...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2011 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   El Goodo   (Member)

have you ever tried to play electric guitar without an amplifier?!

Sure, that's generally the best way to try one out is to listen to it acoustically.
Buddy Holly's engineer Norman Petty got that percussive guitar sound on records like Peggy Sue by sticking a close mic on Buddy's electric guitar as well as the amp.
And then there's semi-hollowbody guitars, whose sound is due to its acoustic properties as much as the pickups.
What happens when you put a pickup on an acoustic guitar for that matter? Did Django Reinhardt become an electronic musician when he stuck a magnetic pickup on his acoustic Selmer?

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2011 - 5:32 AM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Yes, Mellotrons did have an electric guitar setting (on the old MK II units) as did the Chamberlin (it's US ancestor)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2013 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

I always heard that Jerry Goldsmith's score for "Planet Of The Apes" used "no electronic instruments", but didn't I hear an electric guitar with a wah wah pedal in the opening of the main title?

I found this old thread and the OP's original question wasn't answered factually. Just "best-guess" speculation. (and then it digressed into a silly debate about what constitutes "electronic" instruments, when we all know that Goldsmith mean't No Synths in POTA.)

Here's the answer from Jerry's own hand. The Electric "Twang" heard throughout the score at various key moments is always designated in the Planet of the Apes Sketches as: Elect Harp, Slow Reverb. It's an Electric Harp with the Echoplex.

The "Main Title" Sketch indicates the "Buzz."



There are a few instances where the Vibes double the Electric Harp hits , i.e. the 3978 time-clock music in"Crash Landing" and the canyon overlook in "The Forbidden Zone."

The Electric Harp hit that transitions "The Hunt Part-1 to Part-2" (measures 159 & 160) is designated "Elect Harp.....Ring" with "Harp hold over" written at the top by the double-bar.



Hope this helps solve an old Goldsmith puzzler!

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2013 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Vibes are also electric

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2014 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   KTK   (Member)

chromaparadise, do you have any more of the 'Planet of the Apes' score scanned?

 
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