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 Posted:   Jan 13, 2025 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

The 60th anniversary of the release of the movie "Up The Down Staircase" will soon be here (in 2027). It would be nice to have a CD release of the soundtrack (expanded, too)!

For what? So that 5 people including you buy it? People, understand that record company is not a charity, and with titles like this, the label won't pay the bills, because it has never sold a whole print run in its life.


As one of those 5 people, I, too, love this score. It's too bad this did not end up on that massive box that FSM put out with so many United Artists soundtracks, or that Rykodisc didn't release it when they purchased the rights on all the UA soundtracks--just so they could release Frank Zappa's 200 Motels.

La La Land, Quartet, Intrada, and others put out such lavish editions. I'm sure a score like Up the Down Staircase is a non-starter for such a presentation. I'm wondering, though, if there is a cheaper option? Download only? Or straight LP transfer without extensive packaging? Still, probably not, but there are so many scores that could benefit from more exposure.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2025 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

A release like UTDS by Karlin would more likely come from a label like BSX or Caldera, who specialise a bit more in niche, left-field titles (that's not to say LLL & Intrada don't give us any off-beat/small-scale/obscure titles, but they tend to tackle bigger franchise releases and top-tier composers (Williams, Zimmer, Horner, Barry).

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2025 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Seems like something Quartet Records might consider as well. I'm all for it as I love Fred Karlin and this is a fun score... I think his first one to ever be commercially released!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2025 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jan 14, 2025 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

Yavar, Intrada did Ravagers. Westworld was released at same time as film (first commercial) + Chapter III + FSM.
Plus I noticed some LPs at soundtrack collector list...

Yes, he's very underrated composer (I really LOVE his Ravagers!), but still had little commercial releases.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2025 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I have Intrada's Ravagers and I think it's actually my favorite Fred Karlin score! Just thrilling and a unique sound world. I had hoped that Intrada might follow it up with more Karlin releases but I'm guessing maybe it didn't do well, which would be a real shame.

I'm pretty sure Up the Down Staircase was released on LP before any other score of his though, including Westworld.

Also seek out the Karlin scores released on the Reel Music Down Under Label, like Futureworld and The Stalking Moon!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2025 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   ShadowStar   (Member)

Edited: just deleted an unnecessary question! smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2025 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   Andy_   (Member)

MV - Now that the 1701 series is complete, would LLL consider reissuing the Star Trek TNG and DS9 volumes? Trek might help pay the bills.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2025 - 11:54 PM   
 By:   juhana   (Member)

MV - Now that the 1701 series is complete, would LLL consider reissuing the Star Trek TNG and DS9 volumes? Trek might help pay the bills.

I think reissuing the Ron Jones TNG scores as similar 1701 volumes would be a great idea.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 1:41 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

MV - Now that the 1701 series is complete, would LLL consider reissuing the Star Trek TNG and DS9 volumes? Trek might help pay the bills.

I think reissuing the Ron Jones TNG scores as similar 1701 volumes would be a great idea.


Yes. And this time adding THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS which wasn't included in that set.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   Andy_   (Member)

Yes to that too. I couldn't keep up with the TNG, DS9 and Voyager sets. I would jump at the chance. The aftermarket costs are ridiculous. Star Trek, like Bond, sells (I think)

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 5:36 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Maybe we wait until some questions are answered before asking a ton of other questions...?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

MV - Now that the 1701 series is complete, would LLL consider reissuing the Star Trek TNG and DS9 volumes? Trek might help pay the bills.

I think reissuing the Ron Jones TNG scores as similar 1701 volumes would be a great idea.


Yes. And this time adding THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS which wasn't included in that set.



Uhh.

Don't you know the reason it wasn't included?

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The reason it wasn't included was because GNP has perpetuity rights. But they also have perpetuity rights on The Cage/Where No Man Has Gone Before/Amok Time/The Doomsday Machine, and LLL just recently released those four scores on an unexpected Vol. 7 of their TOS reissue series, thanks to GNP's cooperation:
https://lalalandrecords.com/star-trek-the-original-series-the-1701-collection-vol-7-limited-edition-2-cd-set/

So it's entirely possible that GNP might similarly be willing to work out a deal with LLL for a reissue of The Best of Both Worlds complete, which appears to be sold out from them now. (Hell, maybe they'd even sublicense Generations/First Contact/Insurrection to LLL for new editions -- 2CD on the latter two, for the first time? -- of those Trek scores they control, after their own editions sell out.)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Manakin Skywalker   (Member)

More music from the TNG-era shows would be great too! I've mentioned before, but I imagine releasing a 2-4 disc set every couple of years with fan-requested material from all four series (a la The Final Frontier) would probably sell well.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2025 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

A quick question for LLL...
Having released the first 5 series scores on CD to COBRA KAI, will LLL be closing the book (in a manner of speaking) by issuing a series 6 CD set?
Or will this series follow the likes of THE ORVILLE and SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, whereby poor CD sales of the previous releases render their continuation not cost effective (I figure the latter will be the case, as the previous sets were sold at super low prices during previous sales).

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2025 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

MV - Now that the 1701 series is complete, would LLL consider reissuing the Star Trek TNG and DS9 volumes? Trek might help pay the bills.

I think reissuing the Ron Jones TNG scores as similar 1701 volumes would be a great idea.


Yes. And this time adding THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS which wasn't included in that set.



Uhh.

Don't you know the reason it wasn't included?


Probably due to licensing as it was in their active catalogue back then.

Lukas Kendall would know best.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2025 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Lukas was very clear/specific in his Ron Jones Project online liner notes at the time:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/notes/box05_disc12.html#ep5

"Ron Jones’s superb music for the two-part “The Best of Both Worlds,” which ended the third season with a cliffhanger and launched the fourth season with a bang, remains hugely popular for its Star Wars-style space action and bold, synthesized choir conveying Armageddon at the hands of the Borg. In 1991, GNP/Crescendo released Jones’s scores from both parts on CD (GNPD 8026) as “Volume Two” of their series of The Next Generation soundtracks. This pre-existing album contractually limited FSM to releasing no more than five minutes of music recorded for the “The Best of Both Worlds,” whether previously released or not."

But then years later Lukas helped GNP Crescendo help produce their own expanded releases of Generations/Insurrection/Nemesis, plus "The Best of Both Worlds" and "Encounter at Farpoint" (with the wonderful complete score of "The Arsenal of Freedom" added for good measure... alas that last TV score expansion didn't sell well enough to continue expanding the other pilot scores or TNG Vol. 3/4). For a while it seemed that LLL wasn't going to be able to include any material from scores included on the first two GNP Crescendo TOS volumes, but then in the end a surprise volume 7 was produced (not even at a higher price point!) so they were apparently willing to play ball in terms of licensing after all.

I can understand why some are hopeful for a Best of Both Worlds expanded reissue, since the GNP expansion Lukas produced for them has been out of print and unavailable for years now.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2025 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   WhoDat   (Member)

So long as we're talking about Star Trek selling well, am I the only one hoping for a licensing miracle that would allow LLL to publish the fantastic Season 3 scores for Picard? Or has that ship sailed (or warped out of orbit) at this point? This is easily my favorite Trek music of the past 25+ years. It's modern, but also bold and symphonic at all the right points. The two composers nailed the assignment of making Trek feel big, bold, and cinematic again. If it never happens, thank you Terry Matalas for understanding how important the scores are to our favorite Trek stories.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2025 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Dave Frolik   (Member)

More music from the TNG-era shows would be great too! I've mentioned before, but I imagine releasing a 2-4 disc set every couple of years with fan-requested material from all four series (a la The Final Frontier) would probably sell well.

Would be an instant buy for me.

 
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