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 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

It's strange they seem to introduce the Flying Sub to viewers at least twice, in "Time Bomb" and "The Left-Handed Man" ("Penfield's Inspection/Penfield's First Flight").

And exhaused just about all of the FS footage in that one sequence in The Left-Handed Man. I get Irwin wanted to show off, but don't put all the goods out there up front. Leave the audience wanting more.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

It's strange they seem to introduce the Flying Sub to viewers at least twice, in "Time Bomb" and "The Left-Handed Man" ("Penfield's Inspection/Penfield's First Flight").

And exhaused just about all of the FS footage in that one sequence in The Left-Handed Man. I get Irwin wanted to show off, but don't put all the goods out there up front. Leave the audience wanting more.


To be fair, they did film some pretty great underwater sequences in seasons 3 & 4.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I question the wisdom of building a flying sub. The engineering requirements of an aircraft and a submersible are so contrary to each other, you could only end up with a sub-par sub and a pitiful airplane. But no one could tell Irwin Allen how to allocate his R&D money. smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 7:44 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I question the wisdom of building a flying sub. The engineering requirements of an aircraft and a submersible are so contrary to each other, you could only end up with a sub-par sub and a pitiful airplane. But no one could tell Irwin Allen how to allocate his R&D money. smile

Indeed! Because everyone knows that SciFi craft are always conceived on the sound principles of physics, such as the Millenium Falcon, the Enterprise, the Death Star, Cylon baseships, Colonial Vipers, that hand shaped ship from Stella Star, Space Academy™, Eagles, Mark VI Hawks, Icarus, Serenity, the Nostromo, Event Horizon, Jupiter 2, Star Destroyers™, Tardis, Draconian fighters... etc. wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Whenever they would launch the flying sub it would always be that same shot of it exiting Seaview from the surface, even if Seaview, at that moment, was on the ocean floor?
As cool as that was though....

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


Indeed! Because everyone knows that SciFi craft are always conceived on the sound principles of physics, such as the Millenium Falcon, the Enterprise, the Death Star, Cylon baseships, Colonial Vipers, that hand shaped ship from Stella Star, Space Academy™, Eagles, Mark VI Hawks, Icarus, Serenity, the Nostromo, Event Horizon, Jupiter 2, Star Destroyers™, Tardis, Draconian fighters... etc. wink


You forgot Bessie, the Whomobile & my flying stone head.





 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 8:38 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Whenever they would launch the flying sub it would always be that same shot of it exiting Seaview from the surface, even if Seaview, at that moment, was on the ocean floor?
As cool as that was.


Are you counting City Beneath the Sea, where they had several flying subs going under the name "Aquafoil™"?

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

@ Mr. ZardozSpeaks: Yes. Thanks.

Shoulda mentioned also: Spectrum Patrol Vehicle, any of the Thunderbirds ships and devices, Father Unwin's car "Gabriel", Supercar, FireBall XL-5, Fire Mares, The Gump, The Time Machine™, Galileo 7, Atragon, The "Thrust Polar-Borer™" AKA the submarine with a giant drill with frickin laser beams attached to the drill, SY-3, the BlackShark, every incarnation of the Nautilus (except the actual nuclear sub Nautilus), the LandMaster™, Proteus, and that ship that Arnold takes to "get his ass to Mars".

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2020 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I question the wisdom of building a flying sub. The engineering requirements of an aircraft and a submersible are so contrary to each other, you could only end up with a sub-par sub and a pitiful airplane. But no one could tell Irwin Allen how to allocate his R&D money. smile

"That thing is a sub...and it flies?"

I question nothing. It's Irwin's coolest vehicle and was one of the best additions to the series when it went to color. It's also an amazing model to put together.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2020 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

The Flying Sub launch scenes were done with the 17 foot "surface" Seaview miniature, which would have been pretty unwieldy to submerge to get angles underwater (I think its only underwater use was in the 1961 theatrical film where they shoot the nose of the 17-footer with the minisub miniature in the minefield sequence). There are some shots of a 9-inch Flying Sub miniature approaching the 8 foot underwater Seaview or positioned underneath it in the series, but they were never able to show the FS launch or berth with those models.
There was one great Leith Stevens cue they frequently used for the Flying Sub returning to the Seaview called "Directly Below" that was just way too damaged to use--fortunately there are a couple of other cues where he took a similar approach but I wish we could have included that one.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2020 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

coolest vehicle

Full stop!!! And yes, wonderful kit by Moebius (and the old Aurora kit was legendary).

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2020 - 3:46 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Whenever they would launch the flying sub it would always be that same shot of it exiting Seaview from the surface, even if Seaview, at that moment, was on the ocean floor?
As cool as that was though....


Ehh. Sure, a wondrous thing watching Seaview give birth, but the Brits phallic ejaculation from Skydiver (starting at 40 seconds) feels so good.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2020 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

The Flying Sub launch scenes were done with the 17 foot "surface" Seaview miniature, which would have been pretty unwieldy to submerge to get angles underwater (I think its only underwater use was in the 1961 theatrical film where they shoot the nose of the 17-footer with the minisub miniature in the minefield sequence).

Finally! The explanation for the those shots.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2020 - 7:28 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

The Flying Sub launch scenes were done with the 17 foot "surface" Seaview miniature, which would have been pretty unwieldy to submerge to get angles underwater (I think its only underwater use was in the 1961 theatrical film where they shoot the nose of the 17-footer with the minisub miniature in the minefield sequence). There are some shots of a 9-inch Flying Sub miniature approaching the 8 foot underwater Seaview or positioned underneath it in the series, but they were never able to show the FS launch or berth with those models.
There was one great Leith Stevens cue they frequently used for the Flying Sub returning to the Seaview called "Directly Below" that was just way too damaged to use--fortunately there are a couple of other cues where he took a similar approach but I wish we could have included that one.


@ Mr. Bond: thanks for all the great info. Without going into specifics, are the good folks at LaLaLand happy with how the CD set is performing, so far?

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 4:41 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)


Going by the track list, the cue "The Clown Command" by Drasnin which was on the LIS box set isn't on the Voyage set. I was always nonplussed at it being on the LIS set. Is it in the episode score just under a different name? Or did i happen to miss it?


Scott,
do you happen to know whereabouts chronologically "The Clown Command" fits into the Wax Men score?

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2020 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)


Going by the track list, the cue "The Clown Command" by Drasnin which was on the LIS box set isn't on the Voyage set. I was always nonplussed at it being on the LIS set. Is it in the episode score just under a different name? Or did i happen to miss it?


Scott,
do you happen to know whereabouts chronologically "The Clown Command" fits into the Wax Men score?


Are there any other cues in the LIS box that were also used in Voyage?

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 7:15 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Yup, Randy Newman's "The Monster" was used often. A lot of the Herrmann cues that were included as library were also used fairly often.

As for The Clown Command, I'll check this evening.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Adam B.   (Member)

I just watched my first episode of VTTBOTS. It's on METV at 2am Sunday mornings. I recorded it onto a flashdrive using my digital-to-analog converter box.

B&W episode "The Saboteur" with guest star Warren Stevens. It was OK. I'm sure I watched it as a kid along with the other Irwin Allen shows but I have no recollection of it at all. I'll keep watching every week to see if anything comes back to me. I only have vague memories of Land of the Giants and Time Tunnel. I'm much more familiar with Lost in Space since that show was run endlessly in syndication.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2020 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

Here's everything known about "The Clown Command." The cue was recorded for "The Wax Men" episode on February 20, 1967. The reel and part number is M24 and s327 was the selected take with a library code of "VOIII 385". Unfortunately, this take does not survive.

The cue was re-recorded on July 26, 1967 with other "Lost In Space" cues for the library. S12 was the selected take and a library code of "LISIII 534" was assigned to it. It was also assigned a Voyage code of "VOIV 333" for season 4, but was archived with "Lost In Space." Incidentally, all of the LIS cues were also assigned Voyage codes.

Neil

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2020 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Thanks, Neil!

If anyone wants to place this version in the episode, the original cue was about 15 minutes in as the Seaview dives. So if you put "The Clown Command" as the first cue in THE WAX MEN play order, it'll work out. It's so damned close to the original, you probably won't even notice.

 
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