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 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

@ Mr. McOldsmith: Agreed! The Return of Blackbeard was a fun packed episode and I also viewed at a spoof of sorts. Tons of entertainment in one short hour.

In a way, the episode is the "Trouble with Tribbles" of Voyage with Mr. Mullendore and especially Malachi Throne carrying the show. (Mr. Throne was great in all the Allen productions he was featured in. One in particular comes to mind: The Ennemies, a great suspense episode. BTW, gotta love the near psychopathic, savage and remorseless ways in which Nelson dispatches his enemies. You DON'T want to get on his bad side).

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I agree about "The Terrible Leprechaun"--you know you're in trouble at the beginning of the episode when Sharkey, who was usually the guy looking at anyone claiming to have seen a monster like they are nuts, starts warning everyone to keep their eye out for wee leprechauns. I do like Leith Stevens' score though--the actual leprechaun music is strangely sorrowful (I guess underscoring the bad relationship between the two leprechauns) but there's a lot of other great techno-Stevens music in there and I hope we get a chance to put that out.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

...but there's a lot of other great techno-Stevens music in there and I hope we get a chance to put that out.

And I'll be there, credit card at the ready!

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I agree about "The Terrible Leprechaun"--you know you're in trouble at the beginning of the episode when Sharkey, who was usually the guy looking at anyone claiming to have seen a monster like they are nuts, starts warning everyone to keep their eye out for wee leprechauns. I do like Leith Stevens' score though--the actual leprechaun music is strangely sorrowful (I guess underscoring the bad relationship between the two leprechauns) but there's a lot of other great techno-Stevens music in there and I hope we get a chance to put that out.

It's just so weird how the worst episodes got eother new music or money for effects, like Savage Jungle...which got both! Meanwhile, Man of Many Faces - the first episode of the first season in production order and a solid adventure - gets zip.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I agree about "The Terrible Leprechaun"--you know you're in trouble at the beginning of the episode when Sharkey, who was usually the guy looking at anyone claiming to have seen a monster like they are nuts, starts warning everyone to keep their eye out for wee leprechauns. I do like Leith Stevens' score though--the actual leprechaun music is strangely sorrowful (I guess underscoring the bad relationship between the two leprechauns) but there's a lot of other great techno-Stevens music in there and I hope we get a chance to put that out.

It's just so weird how the worst episodes got eother new music or money for effects, like Savage Jungle...which got both! Meanwhile, Man of Many Faces - the first episode of the first season in production order - gets zip.


A bit of a shame too, because "Man of Many Faces" was bristling with all the elements that made Voyage great. On the other hand, the re-used music is excellent.

While we're here Mr. McOldsmith: from which episode was the "chase" music played while Captain Crane was speeding a winding road being pursued by his ennemies? Also, there is a descending figure when the doctor says to Crane, "in a few seconds, you'll never know you were tired" - right before the commercial - and then, after the break, when Nelson decks the doctor another cue starts, one very familiar, generally heard when the sub is sinking. Can you identify the original episodes from which theses cues come? I'm pretty sure that the first example is from "Leviathan".

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Trying to post a clip. Doesn't work for some reason. confused

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I just went to the scenes you're referring to. Those are cues from the Fox movie library, I believe. Prince of Foxes is used when Crane doubles over after Nelson punches the impostor Doc. Some of the same cues are used in this scene and the scene of Crane escaping the truck, but they are heavily chopped up. Some of it even sounds like Hugo Friedhofer, but it's so piecemeal, it's hard to narrow down. I'd have to go through my old Fox scores to get a definitive answer. However, I can say with certainly they aren't from music scored for specific episodes.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Thanks Mr. McOldsmith

Here is the episode (THE MAN OF MANY FACES), translated in French (Canada):

https://youtu.be/iXTbNRoLiuM

- Crane being pursued: 8:27

- Doctor prepares his needle at 23:10

- Doctor says "quelques secondes et vous aurez oubliƩ votre fatigue" at 23:27

- Admiral unties the doctor at 24:13 (used several times over the course of the series when the sub is sinking and then "hits" the bottom at the end of the cue). Alexander Courage - The Cyborg - cue not included in set.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 6:18 PM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

I have just received my 4-cd box set and it was open. The picture of the SEAVIEW on the cover is not clear and i would like to know if its the way it was done because it could be a photocopy !

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I have just received my 4-cd box set and it was open. The picture of the SEAVIEW on the cover is not clear and i would like to know if its the way it was done because it could be a photocopy !

Do you mean your set was unsealed when it arrived and that the booklet looks photocopied or is it the insert?

In any case, contact LaLaLand if there are any issues. Those guys are the tops! smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 6:48 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)



Admiral unties the doctor at 24:13 (used several times over the course of the series when the sub is sinking and then "hits" the bottom at the end of the cue).


Oh okay, that's from The Cyborg.In the fourth act when the Nelson Cyborg makes the nuclear missiles ready for firing.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 7:00 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)



Admiral unties the doctor at 24:13 (used several times over the course of the series when the sub is sinking and then "hits" the bottom at the end of the cue).


Oh okay, that's from The Cyborg.In the fourth act when the Nelson Cyborg makes the nuclear missiles ready for firing.


Thanks. I was just closing in on the cue as you were writing your post. smile

I guess that means that this cue is also lost to the ages frown. On the other hand, hope springs eternal and if, perchance, the cues were to turn up, I would have absolutely no objection to them them being added to an eventual second set as I'm not remotely OCD about that kind of stuff. smile

The more I delve into the VTTBOTS set, the more I realize how much of my Voyage "experience" was informed by Mr. Courage's scores.

It is quite surprising that a cue, so often used for the Seaview sinking to the bottom and hitting the bottom, has nothing to do with neither. Just goes to show how talented Mr. Courage was and how nimble his music turned out to be.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Should one watch the film before starting the television series or does it make no difference?

Graham

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Should one watch the film before starting the television series or does it make no difference?


As I recall, they created the TV show as its own thing, taking place in a different continuity from the film.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Should one watch the film before starting the television series or does it make no difference?

Graham


@ Mr. Graham:

Mostly none, IMHO. The Sawtell/Schefter score isn't carried over from the film, nor the vast majority of the actors for that matter. Only the craft and sets were re-used and even then with some significant changes.

Also, the CD set barely covers the first season, so I'd start at the second season premiere; "Jonah and the Whale" and go on from there. For all intents and purposes, the Goldsmith score is complete, with the exception of a percussive effect heard during the main title, once during the end title and several times during the cue "Diving Party".

You're in for a fantastic Voyage To See What's On The Bottom* smile

Enjoy!

* Mad Magazine reference.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2020 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Should one watch the film before starting the television series or does it make no difference?

Graham


It makes no difference at all, they exist in two different universes. In fact, the TV series uses the plot of the film (with footage) for the second season episode "The Sky's On Fire." So you can totally skip it.

In fact, if you go in blind, you'll be doubly impressed at the production values of the series because you won't know which shots were taking from the film and which weren't.

Anyway, the TV series cast is far superior.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2020 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)


I guess that means that this cue is also lost to the ages frown. On the other hope springs eternal and if, perchance, the cues were to turn up, I would have absolutely no objection. to them them being added to an eventual second set as I'm not remotely OCD about that kind of stuff. smile

The more I delve into the VTTBOTS set, the more I realize how much of my Voyage "experience" was informed by Mr. Courage's scores.

It is quite surprising that a cue, so often used for the Seaview sinking to the bottom and hitting the bottom, has nothing to do with neither. Just goes to show how talented Mr. Courage was and how nimble his music turned out to be.


Courage, Goldsmith, Stevens and Heyton defined the sound fo the series overall, apparently. So many of theise cues were used endlessly throughout the color episodes.

And sadly, yeah, unless other Cyborg cues turn up or film stems can be harvested, that's what we have. I think that's my one legit sadness at this point. The Cyborg was my favorite Courage score for Voyage (Leviathan and The Lost Bomb were also amazing) and losing any of it is a shame. The cue where Nelson feigns dropping his food to distract the cyborg guard (also heard over the opening of The Sky's on Fire) was something I really hoped would be found. Maybe I can find a way to recreate it from my DVDs as soon as I figure out Audacity.....

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2020 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

I have just received my 4-cd box set and it was open. The picture of the SEAVIEW on the cover is not clear and i would like to know if its the way it was done because it could be a photocopy !

Do you mean your set was unsealed when it arrived and that the booklet looks photocopied or is it the insert?


The pack was open but the cd was not unsealed. But its from the cover photo of the SEAVIEW that i was suspicious, it looks like a photocopy.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2020 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Where did you order it from?

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2020 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

The cover image of the Seaview isn't razor sharp because it's pulled directly from footage from the show--the ship is underwater. Now if the LOGO isn't sharp maybe there's an issue...

 
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