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Aug 15, 2013 - 10:31 AM
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Ado
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/12/diehard-star-trek-fans-rank-the-best-and-worst-movies
Really sad to see where TMP ended up. (After Generations are you frakking me?!) Oh and Star Trek 5 ranking not surprising, but I would personaly put it in the top five! Undiscovered Country is complete mess. It think fans rank it high because Myer returned for that film, more than for the film itself.
My top six:
(1) WOK
(2) TMP
(3) Voyage Home
(4) First Contact
(5) Final Frontier
(6) Nemesis
Last six:
(7-12) Interchangeable
Omitted:
Galaxy Quest somehow belongs in this list. Seriously?
Well, if you read the article, it was a poll of about 100 fans. So it is sad that this is getting so much media attention. So we have tons of coverage caused by 100 of the biggest ST nerds on the planet. Absurd. The Galaxy Quest inclusion is totally absurd.
I would parse out the film series separate since they are so different really. If I was forced to rank them I would put TMP in the top three - since the level of craft and scale is absolutely superb. I love the film myself.
The worst film in terms of craft and writing is probably ST V, but there are moments that do work in it. TWOK always get picked as best, to the point that I am tired of it, and I find some of the pacing and literary stuff a bit dusty and melodramatic. I mean it is great coming from Ricardo Montalbahn, but there are times it wears thin. As a story it is a great drama, but it is not the most entertaining of all of them.
If you are looking at entertaining, I would say the newest ones rate pretty high, with First Contact, Voyage Home. Those are not strictly Trekkers dreams, but there it is. If you asked me to pick Into Darkness or TMP, I would pick the latter - and every critic in the world disagrees with me, but there you go. I would also rank Nemesis much higher than most people. It is similarly wordy and inner driven as TWOK - but it sure takes a lot of grief. Congrats on a bold top list - very interesting
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Aug 15, 2013 - 2:11 PM
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Ado
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1. First Contact great fun!!
2. The Undiscovered Country serious fun!!
3. Wrath of Khan old school fun!
4. Generations Whoopi saved it!
5. Insurrection Riker saved it with his maneuver!
6. Star Trek my eyes! it burns!
7. Into Darkness sherlock saves it!
8. Voyage Home space is overrated
9. TMP editing is overrated
10. Nemesis bad director..
11. The Final Frontier very very bad director...
12. Search for Spock fast forward plz
For me it's easy though; best of TNG = First Contact, best of Sulu = Undiscovered Country, Best of J.J. = is yet to come with Star Wars.
Francis,
Do you think Star Trek or Star Wars is easier to mess up?
I am thinking, not sure I am saying this right, that Star Trek has so much legacy baggage, that universe is so overwrought with legacy that it is pretty easy to mess up. Also it has too many characters to really treat properly (A failing also of Avengers to me) Whereas Star Wars, while it has been there a while, has some legacy, might be easier to 'reboot" so to speak. I mean, what does the SW fan want? Well. lots of combat and space battles? It seems so. ?
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Aug 15, 2013 - 2:38 PM
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Francis
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Francis,
Do you think Star Trek or Star Wars is easier to mess up?
I am thinking, not sure I am saying this right, that Star Trek has so much legacy baggage, that universe is so overwrought with legacy that it is pretty easy to mess up. Also it has too many characters to really treat properly (A failing also of Avengers to me) Whereas Star Wars, while it has been there a while, has some legacy, might be easier to 'reboot" so to speak. I mean, what does the SW fan want? Well. lots of combat and space battles? It seems so. ?
I would actually argue that having a big legacy makes it easier not to screw up; part of why J.J.'s Star Trek was passable was that we already know those characters. That is why I think I am also more lenient to Insurrection and Generations because I just love to watch the TNG crew and I know those movies are still better than the first two seasons and a lot of other episodes of Next Generation. You tend to compare it to the tv show;
Whereas with Star Wars, all there is is the movies; And for me they already messed up big time with the prequels; so much so that I think J.J. can rectify that as he has already shown he can do Star Wars action (great space battles) with the last two Trek movies, and his other movies and tv work have shown me he can direct actors (the one force George Lucas seems to lack). Plus with Williams on board, it will be amazing.
At this point we do need a new Star Trek tv series badly... the movies are fun but it needs the tv format to do some real storytelling.
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Aug 15, 2013 - 10:18 PM
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Col. Flagg
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The worst film in terms of craft and writing is probably ST V, but there are moments that do work in it.
Since you're bothering to separate "writing" from "craft," I humbly disagree.
You won't get any argument from me on visual effects - they stunk. But "craft" also covers things like costumes, art direction, photography, editing, music and sound. Most of the craft departments did a fine job. (Err, MUSIC, anyone?!) 
In fact, I think most of the lighting and camerawork is wonderful and alive, while still adhering to the rather sedate style that came to embody classic Trek cinema. But shooting entire bridge sequences on steadicam (and really sloppy steadicam at that) is one example of how a decision made to cope with scheduling overruns can telegraph cheapness to an audience. Shatner was forced to make this decision - but Bennett should have known better and fought for reshoots when he saw the dailies.
Shatner actually had a vision - a vibrant one, at that - but he had zero support from above, and a lack of experience to cope with budget and scheduling problems in a way that wouldn't reveal the seams in his carefully-knit tapestry. Yes, fighting for exactly that story wasn't his best directorial choice, but barring some of its famous silliness, the script itself is actually filled with good stuff. The Trek V that came of it is at worst wildly uneven - but it's a lot better than this year's even more wildly uneven Star Trek: Into Darkness, IMHO. And I'll take classic Trek ideas and earnestness over Next Gen or Nu Trek most days.
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