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 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   kaimakan   (Member)

I am doing research and would be grateful to fellow MB posters for their input on the best scores or favorite soundtracks written for Westerns. We probably all agree about THE BIG COUNTRY and THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN and SILVERADO and anything written by Jerry Goldsmith. But what about other Western soundtracks? I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 8:10 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

Any of the Morricone scores he wrote for the Leone westerns. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly and Once Upon a Time in the West in particular.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 8:17 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I concur with Hornerfan, and would add Fistful of Dynamite/Duck You Sucker, A Professional Gun/The Mercenary and The Big Gundown/La Resa dei Conti. These are my favourite western scores.

I also enjoy John Williams's efforts for The Missouri Breaks and The Cowboys.

TG

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Alfred Newman's HOW THE WEST WAS WON, Ennio Morricone's E PER TETTO UN CIELO DI STELLE and Tiomkin's THE ALAMO.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Gianni Ferrio's A MAN CALLED SLEDGE (1970). I count the song "Other Men's Gold" as a guilty pleasure. I even like the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 9:00 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

The Comancheros.

Alex

P.S: And i still haven't bought it....dumb!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   musickco   (Member)

Let's hear it for David Raksin's main titles for Apache, Big Hand For A Little Lady and Invitation To A Gunfighter.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 9:19 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

One of my favorites is 1955's SMOKE SIGNAL, with the score composed by William Lava, Irving Gertz, and Henry Mancini. A wealth of musical ideas (no surprise considering three composers wrote it), but everything holds together beautifully. An underrated western, too. Starring Dana Andrews.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

Cheyene Autumn, Comes a Horseman, Tombstone (which I like more than Silverado). And though the OP mentions anything by Goldsmith, I have to say that the theme from 100 Rifles never leaves my head for at least several hours after I listen to that score.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

Let's hear it for David Raksin's main titles for Apache, Big Hand For A Little Lady and Invitation To A Gunfighter.

Great choices ! I like Will Penny too.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 9:30 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

One of my favorites is 1955's SMOKE SIGNAL, with the score composed by William Lava, Irving Gertz, and Henry Mancini. A wealth of musical ideas (no surprise considering three composers wrote it), but everything holds together beautifully. An underrated western, too. Starring Dana Andrews.

David, I've always loved the music in George Sherman's Border River (1954). I used to have it taped on reel to reel many years ago. It's a great little score. I always wondered who wrote the theme ?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

Universal-International was the source of a lot of great western scores in the fifties, including a number of Audie Murphy oaters. An excellent one is NO NAME ON THE BULLET, which is also one of my favorite 1950s westerns. It's now available in widescreen, so don't miss it if you haven't seen it.

As for BORDER RIVER, that's another great U-I score, with the new music for it composed by Herman Stein, including the "Main Title" and the next three cues in the picture. Stein loved writing for cello, and you can hear some lovely examples in this score. The "theme," if we're talking about the same thing, sounds like one of Herman's. A number of cues were also composed by William Lava and Henry Mancini, with the majority of Mancini's being in the last couple of reels. The "End Title" and "End Cast" were also composed by Stein.

There was also some tracked music in BORDER RIVER's score from the pens of Stein, Frank Skinner, Milt Rosen, and Mancini, coming from films like THE RAIDERS, LAW AND ORDER, TAKE ME TO TOWN, PIRATES OF MONTEREY, HORIZONS WEST, DUEL AT SILVER CREEK, and RIDE THE PINK HORSE. With the exception of PIRATES OF MONTEREY, all these films tracked music into a large number of other Universal-International pictures.

DAWN AT SOCORRO also has an excellent "patchwork" score, with quite a bit of new music by Skinner and Stein. Cues from this picture also turned up in many later U-I westerns.

But go check out SMOKE SIGNAL if you want to hear a "Main Title" as glorious as anything composed for a 1950's western. William Lava is a VERY underrated composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 10:54 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I may be the only one here besides David (MMM) who has seen SMOKE SIGNAL. But then, I saw it on the big screen at the Ridgeway shopping Center in Stamford Connecticut when I was eight years old, so I can't claim to remember the music. But as always, I trust David's judgment completely.

Even when he discusses Universal westerns without mentioning Hans Salter. BEND OF THE RIVER was one of his best, for one of the classic Anthony Mann/James Stewart westerns. Elsewhere, he did a particularly good job on WICHITA, (not to be confused with his TV series, WICHITA TOWN, also a fine job, also starring Joel McCrea). The standard bearer for this particular style of western scoring I'd say was Max Steiner at Warner Brothers, with DODGE CITY, VIRGINIA CITY and a host of others. Tiomkin's been mentioned briefly here, but he wrote a LOT of major western scores, including DUEL IN THE SUN, THE ALAMO, GUNFIGHT AT THE OK CORRAL and of course HIGH NOON.

Off the top of my head, there's also George Duning w/COWBOY and 3:10 TO YUMA., George Stoll and RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY, (recently an FSM release). waxman's THE INDIAN FIGHTER and CIMARRON (the latter also on FSM).

Oh yeah, Victor Young and SHANE.

Anyhow, that's for openers.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2006 - 11:20 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

The only reason I didn't mention Salter is because I was discussing BORDER RIVER and SMOKE SIGNAL. But you are right about BEND OF THE RIVER. It''s a "classic" western score, and one that begs to be newly-recorded. Thank goodness the original tracks made it out into the marketplace via Tony Thomas. I agree about WICHITA, too. An excellent score. I believe I have some commercial sheet music from it, although I can''t imagine it sold enough copies to really be called "commercial."

Salter''s Universal western music from the ''40s and the ''50s was a major part of the Universal "recycling" library, with cues from films like THE BATTLE OF APACHE PASS, TOMAHAWK, and many others being used again and again because they were so good the first time! While he wrote superb music for many westerns, I think BEND OF THE RIVER easily belongs on the list of the best western scores.

Also, Bernstein's THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER is an excellent "fun" western score. It probably doesn't get the respect it might deserve because it hasn't been issued on commercial CD. But the LP version offers some excellent examples of what makes the score so good.

And of course Max Steiner's THE SEARCHERS, DODGE CITY, DISTANT DRUMS, PURSUED, THEY DIED WITH THEIR BOOTS ON, VIRGINIA CITY, and many, many others. You can hear many of these classic scores thanks to Marco Polo, Screen Archives Entertainment, Brigham Young University, the RCA Classic Films Score series, etc.

 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2006 - 12:12 AM   
 By:   John Morgan   (Member)

Those Universal boys could do just about anything, musically speaking. Despite the efforts of David, me and others, I am afraid Universal's method of screen credit has done a great disservice to those talented composers.

I do have a soft spot for Max Steiner, who pretty well defined the western sound until Copland-esque tonalities intruded into the European soundscape.

Scores like HOW THE WEST WAS WON, DODGE CITY, THEY DIED WITH THEIR BOOTS ON, BEND Of THE RIVER, SMOKE SIGNAL, RED RIVER, SILVERADO, THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN, THE ALAMO, THE BIG COUNTRY, SHANE, THE WILD BUNCH, the Morricone westerns, etc. all have contributed mightily to our western musical heritage.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2006 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Many of my favorites have already been mentioned. I'll add to the above list Duel In The Sun by Tiomkin, Poledouris' Quigley Down Under and Lonesome Dove, Barry's Dances With Wolves, and almost every western composed by Goldsmith and Bernstein.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2006 - 1:53 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

We had a thread a while back called Stone Cold. It was about the score Richard Stone wrote for a movie called Sundown: The Vampire in Retreat. Some of us found this score at Amazon, and we were amazed! Stone composed an epic score for what was probably a silly movie. It has three wonderful themes that remind me of Bernstein and Morricone. His end titles sound like a homage to Bernstein.

Another great western score is Kenneth Thorne's Hannie Caulder.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2006 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

SUNDOWN is a terrific score from a composer who died way too young, in his late forties. Stone also wrote a lot of music for cartoons. The Silva release is a fine representation of this very enjoyable score.

On the subject of horror-westerns, Irving Gertz wrote an effective score for CURSE OF THE UNDEAD, which is a better movie than it has any right to be. Electric violin is featured, but I don't remember it overwhelming the score. I guess I shall have to view it again. I don't think it has ever been released on laserdisc or DVD, although it did come out on MCA video.

I don't recall the scores for JESSE JAMES MEETS FRANKENSTEIN'S DAUGHTER or BILLY THE KID VERSUS DRACULA, and I don't plan on watching either of those two movies ever again.

And if you like THE BIG COUNTRY, there's Moross' first cousin of a score for the dinosaur-western THE VALLEY OF GWANGI, available in a sterling Silva Screen release.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2006 - 3:11 AM   
 By:   Rexor   (Member)

I am doing research and would be grateful to fellow MB posters for their input on the best scores or favorite soundtracks written for Westerns. We probably all agree about THE BIG COUNTRY and THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN and SILVERADO and anything written by Jerry Goldsmith. But what about other Western soundtracks? I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

I'm, sorry but I for one don't agree with the "anything written by Jerry Goldsmith" comment. I just think that some of hs Western scores are beter than some of his other Western scores. My taste is more aligned with the big, bold, and expansive Western sound so my favorite (or best) Western scores- other than one's you've listed- would be stuff like Newman's, How The West Was Won, or Tomikins, the Alamo and Red River. I also love stuff like Morricone's, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, and Goldsmith's Rio Conchos. I must admit that I'm not a big fan of JW's Missouri Breaks score (prefer The Cowboys), or Morricone's Once Upon a Time in the West score (prefer his themes from Il Mercenario and Faccia a Faccia).

-Rexor

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2006 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

Let's not forget Miklós Rózsa's lovely TRIBUTE TO A BAD MAN (available from FSM), one of the composer's only two Western scores, and perhaps the only Greek-melody-flavored one ever written.

 
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