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 Posted:   Sep 29, 2004 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   mulan98   (Member)

Hi there,

I'm new to this board so please be patient with me.

I've just watched (and cried at) The Diary of Anne Frank which I've been wanting to see for many years but only just aquired on DVD.

It was better than I expected and typical of George Stevens quiet, understated style. But, predicably, it was the music that tipped me over the edge.

I was just wondering if anyone remembers the theatrical release of this film?

The DVD contains a beautiful Overture and moving play-out music at the end. Is this how the film was presented in cinemas? Also, was there an Intermission?

Thank you in advance to anyone who can help.

Mulan.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2004 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   Brian D. Mellies   (Member)

This was a major release for 20th Century-Fox.

The original roadshow release featured an Overture before the film started, a full Main Title sequence, an Intermission with Entr'acte music, End Titles, and Exit Music.

Ah....the good old days.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2004 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   mulan98   (Member)

This was a major release for 20th Century-Fox.

The original roadshow release featured an Overture before the film started, a full Main Title sequence, an Intermission with Entr'acte music, End Titles, and Exit Music.

Ah....the good old days.


Thanks Brian,

It must have been very special in a full theatre. Wish I'd experienced it in those circumstances.

I suspect modern audiences would have difficulty with the leisurely pacing and careful characterisation.

I'm obliged for the response.

mulan.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2004 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Diary had four off screen pieces of music
1. Pre screen Overture
2. exit music for Act One
3. Intermission Music
4. Exit music for Act Two
Pieces 2 and 3 are missing from the new dvd but were on the Laserdisc version.
We need a cd of the complete score.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2004 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   kenkoc   (Member)

I saw a screening of "Diary" last year at the Academy in Beverly Hills last year. Milie Perkins, Richard Beymer , Diane Baker and George Stevens Jr were all there and did a great Q and A after the film. On that night there was an Overture but no Intermission or Intermission music

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2004 - 10:52 PM   
 By:   Brian D. Mellies   (Member)

Forgive me for saying this, but George Stevens jr. is an idiot.

His knowledge of his father's work is strictly on-the-job training.

I read an interview in which he laid claim to the current 3 1/4 hour version of "Greatest Story Ever Told" being the completely restored film.

He's only short by, oh - I don't know - about 1 1/2 hours.

So it doesn't surprise me a bit that he'd be at a showing of a truncated version of his father's work.

It used to be that when you went to a presentation at the Academy, you would see exactly what had been originally shown in theaters.

Oh well, so much for those good old days.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2004 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Oh, Brian, you really think there was a four and three quarter hour version of Greatest Story shown in THEATERS? I think not. I saw it the week it opened and I do hate to burst your bubble but the film did not run four and three quarter hours.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2004 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

the current three and one quarter hour is not even the roadshow version. the roadshow versions ran 3 hours and forty minutes - and indeed was shown that way in New York.
the original time in L.A. for all of two nights was 4 hours and twnety minutes. UA quickly pulled the plug on that one. All of this is in Ken Darbys book Hollywood Holyland.
The More the film was cut, the MORE alfew Newman music was put back in the film.
When the film was cut to three hours and, I think, twenty minutes, there were several different versions of that length, all with slightly different footage, running in New York.
I have a vid of the first run telecasts of that length on HBO, and I have the old Fox Vid of that same length, , the MGM laserdisc and the new dvds. All have different footage in them.
The new DVDs are NOT the original soundtrack but a remix from scratch, including one scene that restores an Alfred Newman piece (Uriah Walks).

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2004 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

I've just watched (and cried at) The Diary of Anne Frank which I've been wanting to see for many years but only just aquired on DVD.


I don't think I could watch this. Reading the diary was a life-changing experience for me. I tried to watch an excellent two-part British adaptation, but could only manage the first part. I feel an unspeakable anger when I think about what happened.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2004 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   MichaelM   (Member)

the current three and one quarter hour is not even the roadshow version. the roadshow versions ran 3 hours and forty minutes - and indeed was shown that way in New York.
the original time in L.A. for all of two nights was 4 hours and twnety minutes. UA quickly pulled the plug on that one. All of this is in Ken Darbys book Hollywood Holyland.
The More the film was cut, the MORE alfew Newman music was put back in the film.
When the film was cut to three hours and, I think, twenty minutes, there were several different versions of that length, all with slightly different footage, running in New York.
I have a vid of the first run telecasts of that length on HBO, and I have the old Fox Vid of that same length, , the MGM laserdisc and the new dvds. All have different footage in them.
The new DVDs are NOT the original soundtrack but a remix from scratch, including one scene that restores an Alfred Newman piece (Uriah Walks).



Joe, could you go into a little detail about scenes from the original 4 hour+ version that are missing from the current DVD version? At more than an hour of missing material I imagine it was more than just odds and ends cut out.
Thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2004 - 10:31 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Re:GSET...
I saw the original NYC showing at the Warner Theatre just a week after it opened and saw the 3hr 40 minute version. All I can remember was that it felt like eternity. That said I would gladly view the film in this original length again. When the ads for the laser and dvd stated restored to its original Roadshow length it's only half untrue...as GSET was cut during its Roadshow engagement in NY to its present length. I'm not aware of the different versions at this 'cut' length but I'm sure there
were many changes along the way.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2004 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

I saw at least 3 different versions of it during its initial roadshow release. (I still have the original, hardcover souvenir program, as well as 3 sets of 11x14 color photos that were also sold in the theatre lobby.)

Stevens was famous for re-editing his films after their release. One of the aspects of GSET that got a terrible response was his use of well-known actors in cameo roles. Pointed out almost unanimously was the closeup of John Wayne, as the Centurion, filling up the Cinerama screen, intoning "This was the Son of God!," immediately after the death of Christ, which made for a ludicrous effect. This was changed at least twice, so that now, what we see is a medium shot of Wayne in shadow, with the line still on the soundtrack. But the image is different.

I wouldn't be surprised it there had been a lot more of this type of thing, which was later excised.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2004 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   mulan98   (Member)

Hi John,

You seem to have led a life worthy of a film in itself. Very interesting bio and congratulations on such worthy work.

I'm sure everyone knows the, probably apocryphal, story about Wayne's appearance in GSET.

Stevens was alledgedly not happy with Wayne's original reading of the line so he said "Duke. Could you give it a little more awe"?

To which JW intoned "Awww, surely this is the son of Gaaard".

Actually, I like the film for it's genuine reverance and of course, the score.

Just going back to Anne Frank. Wasn't it interesting, and entirely appropiate that there was no Cinemascope logo at the start?

Cheers,

Mulan

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2004 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Sorry, I don't care what Mr. Darby says in his book, this film never ran in a THEATER in LA at a running time of four hours and twenty minutes. I was there - apparently you weren't. It may have had some preview showing or screening somewhere, but it did not OPEN in its theater engagement at that length.

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2004 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   scorechaser   (Member)

Wouldn´t this be a wonderful FSM-release, Lukas?wink (I know you have all for this year ready, but maybe next year? This is such a beautiful and bittersweet score!

You could get rid of another (you know what) that is going around. Plus, you would make us all very happy, as you always do.

Philipp

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2004 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Of course, Mr Haines doesn't care What Darby says in his book about the length. Page Cook also wrote extensively about this long version in his columns years ago.
The only long version I saw was the three hour forty minute version. Many scenes were tightened and the carriage of the cross was later drastically shortened ( you can HEAR the long version on the current varese CD).
I remember that when the Holy Family returns from egypt, there is a dramatic shot of a long roadway, covered with men on crosses. . Now cut is a very long shot of their traveling through this road and the shadows of the crosses
constantly falling acrosws the baby jesus face.
There was also a longer almost silent scene of Christ praying in the Garden of Gethsemane. As he is silently praying, you could hear from the fr left channel the pieces of silver being counted over to Judas.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2004 - 6:56 PM   
 By:   MICHAEL HOMA   (Member)

joe , that is absolutely fascinating ! where does all that flm knowledge come from? it really is so impressive.
Michael



 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2004 - 12:28 AM   
 By:   MichaelM   (Member)

I remember that when the Holy Family returns from egypt, there is a dramatic shot of a long roadway, covered with men on crosses. . Now cut is a very long shot of their traveling through this road and the shadows of the crosses
constantly falling acrosws the baby jesus face.



That's incredible. Why would they cut out such a powerful and poignant shot? The scene as it is now plays rather awkwardly with the camera following the holy family exiting the left, then following a bunch of Roman soldiers marching to the right... just to dissolve into the next scene.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2004 - 1:18 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I have noticed that the two disc DVD version of GSET is gone now and only a one disc supplement free version sells.

Is any version of a longer cut still extant somewhere? I sort of recall someone (might have been you, Joe) saying the Library Of Congress or some other place had a long cut in not too good condition.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2004 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)



I don't think I could watch this. Reading the diary was a life-changing experience for me. I tried to watch an excellent two-part British adaptation, but could only manage the first part. I feel an unspeakable anger when I think about what happened.


I visited the Anne Frank House on one of my trips to Amsterdam in the 1980s. There's a real sadness that surrounds the place, but also a tangible power. I put it down to the determination that everyone has when they visit to not allow that kind of thing to happen again.

Don't know if anything's changed since I was there, but the film star pictures on her bedroom wall (protected of course by perspex) are heart-rending. My daughters will be her age in no time at all, and no doubt will have similar pictures.

There also used to be a cafe ("Dialogo"?) very nearby that did awesome coffee and cakes.

Best

Chris

 
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