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 Posted:   Sep 9, 2019 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Hey Phelpsie.
If you want to see a retrospective. ' end of an era's Sixties flick, nothing tops AMERICAN GRAFITTI.
It's a totally different milieu from what I experienced but it still hits home.
But you already knew that.

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2019 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Howard L and Mr. Marshall - trapped in our memories of the Sixties.
Wistful Jim - trapped in his fantasies of the Sixties.

It's all good!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2019 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Yes it is.

While I "connect" to the 1945-50 and 1960-63 eras, I have never been able to latch on to the 1950s for whatever reason.

It does seem to be the default void, A Face In The Crowd (good choice) and to an extent The Entertainer for me notwithstanding. And In Cold Blood impacts even if it's not from that decade but it may as well be with the parts that take place in '59 looking like they were filmed in the 50s. Otherwise, I leave that decade to the Army/McCarthy hearings with a touch of the closing theme of The Honeymooners.

Today feels like a cut-rate retrograde throwback upon which Pleasantville scratched the surface.

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 4:27 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

1950-53: Korean War, yet the decade still feels like the 1945-49 post-WWII era.
1954-56: Rise of Rock & Roll and civil rights movement. Youth becomes all the friggin' rage.
1957-60: The Big Empty, pop culturally speaking though there are some glimmers of hope, namely jazz.

No? Yes? Discuss.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Add this into the mix. From today's (print) NY Times re Robert Frank, 1924-1919--

He was best known for his groundbreaking book, "The Americans," a masterwork of black and white photographs drawn from his cross-country road trips in the mid-1950s and published in 1959.

"The Americans" challenged the presiding midcentury formula for photojournalism, defined by sharp, well-lighted, classically composed pictures, whether of the battlefront, the homespun American heartland or movie stars at leisure. Mr. Frank's photographs --of lone individuals, teenage couples, groups at funerals and odd spoors of cultural life--were cinematic, immediate, off-kilter and grainy, like early television transmissions of the period.

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

1950-53: Korean War, yet the decade still feels like the 1945-49 post-WWII era.
1954-56: Rise of Rock & Roll and civil rights movement. Youth becomes all the friggin' rage.
1957-60: The Big Empty, pop culturally speaking though there are some glimmers of hope, namely jazz.

No? Yes? Discuss.


I'm much more interested in post war England than the US.
Looking for little clues to the rise of The Beatles.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Don't think for a second that previous mention of The Entertainer isn't due in part or maybe whole to a subliminal association with the The Beatles. Amazing you should bring them up. Scary.

Yesterday I sneaked over to the library during lunch hour and pulled the DVD from the shelf. Watched the first 40 minutes or so last night. Right from the outset when Lon is walking downtown and turns on the radio I was instantly hooked into the period. And the old b&w railroad post--oh, my. There are ones still standing tall in the hometown of my infancy. Instant era markers, they.

Hud's self-absorption is manifest right from his entrance. What a vile person.
What makes a man, masculine prowess or strength of character? That is the question. The answer is somewhere in the middle? Lon will figure it out by film's end.
Terrific moment/ close-up always when Grandson & Grandpa are singing at the picture show.

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Lately I've found myself hitting the brakes on pop culture after 1963. Besides, The Brothers Four and the Cartwrights are my "fab four." big grin

I'm also presently burned out on 1964-65 to 1975 pop culture and history, so what gave rise to The Beatles--many years of post-war austerity and the desire to live their rock fantasies probably had a lot to do with it--interests me far less than in previous years.

British "Kitchen Sink" films from the 1950s interest me, but the whole era in that country seemed relentlessly bleak. I'm sure one of our UK FSMers could inform us as to how it all was, but since they're not reading this they won't.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

There are ones still standing tall in the hometown of my infancy. Instant era markers, they.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9711003,-73.9615804,3a,75y,316.91h,89.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFg5ATOc9npSXy05RT2hZsw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Interesting that I should come back to Hud after having re-watched The Member Of The Wedding and then Shane. Young de Wilde reprised his stage performance in Wedding together with the great Julie Harris and Ethel Waters. From b&w to Technicolor and then back to b&w over about 10 years. It's almost like he was an adolescent Joey in Hud.

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Howard, you should wash it all down with a large dose of All Fall Down and I suppose In Harm's Way. The latter is a HUD reunion as Patricia Neal and Brandon de Wilde share some brief screen time.

A HUD poster in "striking" black & white. I don't know if it's an "official" issue, but in a world of old rags and bones, I like it.



Word has it that the youthful, Michael Sarrazin-looking Howard L. had this very poster up in his dorm room at Adair University in upstate New York.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

The only thing Adair means to me is Jerry. Nice little infielder with some pop in his bat back in them 60s. cool

Am aware of those films you mention but true, have yet to see 'em. Not really in a B de W kick, it just happened to work out the way it has. Saw Night Crossing not long ago and that's what led me back to Wedding, etc.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The only thing Adair means to me is Jerry. Nice little infielder with some pop in his bat back in them 60s. cool

New meaning has just arrived:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3715320/trivia

Am aware of those films you mention but true, have yet to see 'em. Not really in a B de W kick, it just happened to work out the way it has. Saw Night Crossing not long ago and that's what led me back to Wedding, etc.

I'd have to dig, but I wonder how popular de Wilde was post-SHANE? Did Hollywood view him as the ideal (pre-hippie) youth? Somehow I think he was only mildly popular and a reliable actor still recognizable thanks to SHANE.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

The only thing Adair means to me is Jerry. Nice little infielder with some pop in his bat back in them 60s. cool

New meaning has just arrived:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3715320/trivia

Am aware of those films you mention but true, have yet to see 'em. Not really in a B de W kick, it just happened to work out the way it has. Saw Night Crossing not long ago and that's what led me back to Wedding, etc.

I'd have to dig, but I wonder how popular de Wilde was post-SHANE? Did Hollywood view him as the ideal (pre-hippie) youth? Somehow I think he was only mildly popular and a reliable actor still recognizable thanks to SHANE.


DeWilde was also a stage actor. His life was cut short in the early 70s. He was killed in a car accident in Denver, where he had been appearing in a play. I lived there at the time and remember it well.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

So Adair University is from a Woody Allen film and it starts a running gag, LOL. Just where did he get "Adair" from? big grin

Brandon dW held his own on the Broadway stage and then in the film version among those acting heavyweights mentioned earlier. I'm just a little confused in that the Wedding film opened end of '52 and yet he was "introduced" in Shane practically a year later.

Seems he worked steady into his teens and early 20s before H'Wood decided he wasn't leading man material. Not a bad run compared to many other child actors. Dickie Moore had a small adult role in Wedding and called it a career, in that regard.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I think I might have seen this in the theater as a very young lad.
That cow killing scene made a huge impression on me; doubt it would have had I seen it on tv.



 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Lately I've found myself hitting the brakes on pop culture after 1963. Besides, The Brothers Four and the Cartwrights are my "fab four." big grin

I'm also presently burned out on 1964-65 to 1975 pop culture and history, so what gave rise to The Beatles--many years of post-war austerity and the desire to live their rock fantasies probably had a lot to do with it--interests me far less than in previous years.

British "Kitchen Sink" films from the 1950s interest me, but the whole era in that country seemed relentlessly bleak. I'm sure one of our UK FSMers could inform us as to how it all was, but since they're not reading this they won't.


I assume you watched MAD MEN. The first threee seasons are a great evocation of early 60s America!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I've always thought The Right Stuff was about the best at capturing the early 60s look and all.

Still thinking about the timing of things. To my reckoning, Wedding the play ends March, '51...Brandon is signed and filming of Shane commences and runs into early-mid '52..."Wedding" begins shortly after and is a fairly quick filmization of the play...it is released end of '52...Shane is released Fall, '53.

Too lazy to do the research but he looks older in Wedding the film vs. Shane. Anyway, here's a link to the play--

https://www.ibdb.com/broadway-production/the-member-of-the-wedding-1850

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 10:12 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

In my opinion, de Wilde was okay in Shane and okay in Hud. (Just okay.) The other day I watch Blue Denim on TCM, and he showed no acting skills at all. His death was a tragedy, but had he lived, I would have been surprised if he had become a leading man.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 4:42 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I assume you watched MAD MEN. The first threee seasons are a great evocation of early 60s America!

Watched it and own it on DVD. I'm due back in their world soon, so to speak, as a rewatch is on my horizon.

You're the Pete Campbell of FSM.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I assume you watched MAD MEN. The first threee seasons are a great evocation of early 60s America!

Watched it and own it on DVD. I'm due back in their world soon, so to speak, as a rewatch is on my horizon.

You're the Pete Campbell of FSM.


I'll take his wife!

 
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