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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8      Non-Film Score Discussion: Should Freedom Of Speech Be Unlimited?    FIRST   PRIOR   2 3 4 5 6    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 10:35 PM     By:   ibelin   (Member) Just because close-minded, ignorant racists suggest this doesn't make it true, Ibelin. Jews constitute an ethnoreligious group, so the people you have in mind aren't strictly racist. But that's beside the point. Judaism has had a major impact on world history. Read the following article if you're interested in learning more: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Judaism/The-role-of-Judaism-in-Western-culture-and-civilization. The article states that 'while the influence of Jews has increased in almost every realm of cultural life, the impact of Judaism itself has diminished.' That is certainly true, because Jews are far less religious than even Americans overall; but I'm not even going to get into the influence of Jews on the modern world: It's what those 'ignorant racists' focus on, not me.    Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 10:42 PM     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member) I'll bite. Do you believe that freedom of speech IS a right? If, so, from where does such a right originate? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't think it is a right in particular. Speaking for myself, I will always give someone's opinion the time of day if they speak with insight and intelligence. You seem unclear as to what freedom of speech is all about. It doesn't depend upon whether you welcome someone's opinion or not. It has to do with whether the other person is free to offer their opinion without fear of prosecution. The right exists in large part so that people may express opinions that you do not welcome. Since you don't believe that the right exists in the first place, is there any restriction on your speech that you would not accept?    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 3:52 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) If there is one state of being that seems most natural, it's war. I don't mind. War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing!    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 3:54 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) Just to be clear (because I don't want my previous comment to be misunderstood), I do not believe freedom of speech is a God-given right*. I said it because that is something one hears a lot of so-called religious people say. And I disagree with that idea strongly. I'll bite. Do you believe that freedom of speech IS a right? If, so, from where does such a right originate? I don't think it is a right in particular. Speaking for myself, I will always give someone opinion the time of day if they speak with insight and intelligence. Good manners don't hurt either. There are no god given rights or rights in the natural world. Humans create morals and assign rights to individuals. Of course "morals' is a tricky topic because some people think they are morally superior to others so the rights given are not always to everyone.    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 4:23 AM     By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member) "I Didn't Break The Law...I AM THE LAW!!!"    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 5:19 AM     By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member) Is it the right time to remind you lot what you already know about no religious discussion on here? Lol    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 5:41 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) Is it the right time to remind you lot what you already know about no religious discussion on here? Lol Or political discussion? Sometimes you just have to go with the flow!    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 5:43 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) Should Freedom Of Speech Be Unlimited? Yes, but Kirk would be the first to say, you can’t have enough love making!    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 5:43 AM     By:   Prince Damian   (Member) While we're here- why was the ' what's the point ' thread shut down?    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 6:31 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) While we're here- why was the ' what's the point ' thread shut down? Because I bumped it? Really if we’re having fun, even if it’s senseless fun what’s the harm in it? Maybe it’s a bandwidth issue.    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 8:16 AM     By:   Prince Damian   (Member) While we're here- why was the ' what's the point ' thread shut down? Because I bumped it? Really if we’re having fun, even if it’s senseless fun what’s the harm in it? Maybe it’s a bandwidth issue. Oh. Shall I start a new ' deleted' off? Maybe they mistook amicability for nastiness, Grrr, grrr!    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 8:26 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) While we're here- why was the ' what's the point ' thread shut down? Because I bumped it? Really if we’re having fun, even if it’s senseless fun what’s the harm in it? Maybe it’s a bandwidth issue. Oh. Shall I start a new ' deleted' off? Maybe they mistook amicability for nastiness, Grrr, grrr! You don’t need to start one. They seem to start themselves on a daily basis!    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 9:28 AM     By:   OctoberDog   (Member) You seem unclear as to what freedom of speech is all about. It doesn't depend upon whether you welcome someone's opinion or not. It has to do with whether the other person is free to offer their opinion without fear of prosecution. The right exists in large part so that people may express opinions that you do not welcome. Since you don't believe that the right exists in the first place, is there any restriction on your speech that you would not accept? I said it all in my very first post, Bob. I don't see how I could make it clearer than that. From what I gather in your replies, you seem more concerned with the legal aspects--and that's perfectly fine. That's just not particularly what I was talking about. I don't care to get into the legal aspects of it because the legalities can and do vary from country to country. I was more interested in the moral aspects--those have a more broad and universal significance (to me, anyway). And, once again, I did not say I don't necessarily feel it's a right--I merely said I don't really believe it's a "God-given" right--as many people seem to claim. Maybe my use of that phrase is skewing the thread down a slightly different and unintended road.    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 10:14 AM     By:   Howard L   (Member) No more than insurance companies using "act of God" as a generic term for no-fault situations.    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 3:09 PM     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member) There are no god given rights or rights in the natural world. Humans create morals and assign rights to individuals. Of course "morals' is a tricky topic because some people think they are morally superior to others so the rights given are not always to everyone. You argue that humans give other humans rights. In the case of speech, who gave it to Americans? When and by what mechanism? Those who believe that the right is "God-given" argue that if humans did nothing, everyone would have free speech. All that humans can do is to act to restrict or take away one's free speech rights. In the absence of such restrictions, in the absence of any overt actions by other humans, people have free speech. The right is pre-existing. You are invested with it at birth. You have it until someone takes it away. Adam and Eve had free speech...until one of them told the other to "shush."    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 3:21 PM     By:   OctoberDog   (Member) Bob, make up your mind, amigo. Do you want to discuss freedom of speech as it pertains to the law, or as it pertains to religion? Both aspects are a fascinating proposal for the discussion, but neither direction will get this thread very far!    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 3:21 PM     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member) While we're here- why was the ' what's the point ' thread shut down? Because I bumped it? Really if we’re having fun, even if it’s senseless fun what’s the harm in it? Maybe it’s a bandwidth issue. Oh. Shall I start a new ' deleted' off? Maybe they mistook amicability for nastiness, Grrr, grrr! I started the "." thread originally as an R.I.P. notice thread to Michael Gambon, but then saw that there already was one. Since I couldn't delete the thread and didn't want to "interfere" with the already existing one, I intended to simply change the thread into something else, and I just put the "point" there as a placeholder until I decided what the thread should be. But it only took a minute and already you guys where chiming in, so it became the "point" thread. Why it was locked, I have no idea. It seemed to be harmless and indeed amicable fun of the absurdist type.    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 3:23 PM     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member) Bob, make up your mind, amigo. Do you want to discuss freedom of speech as it pertains to the law, or as it pertains to religion? Both aspects are a fascinating proposal for the discussion, but neither direction will get this thread very far! You are the one that brought up the dichotomy, not me. I believe they are inextricably intertwined, given the beliefs of our founding fathers. The framers of the Constitution were creating a legal document that embodied principles of God-given rights.    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 3:34 PM     By:   ibelin   (Member) That '.' thread is the most vile I've ever witnessed. I had to pour bleach into my eyes after reading through it. I now have PTSD, and it will remain with me for the rest of my life. I have no idea why the thread went on for as long as it did before getting shut down. Everyone who participated in it should be deeply, deeply ashamed of himself.    Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 3:40 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) There are no god given rights or rights in the natural world. Humans create morals and assign rights to individuals. Of course "morals' is a tricky topic because some people think they are morally superior to others so the rights given are not always to everyone. You argue that humans give other humans rights. In the case of speech, who gave it to Americans? When and by what mechanism? Those who believe that the right is "God-given" argue that if humans did nothing, everyone would have free speech. All that humans can do is to act to restrict or take away one's free speech rights. In the absence of such restrictions, in the absence of any overt actions by other humans, people have free speech. The right is pre-existing. You are invested with it at birth. You have it until someone takes it away. Adam and Eve had free speech...until one of them told the other to "shush." If its pre-existing by God what other pre-existing rights did God give us? Didn't he write his Bill of Rights like 2500 years after Adam and Eve?     Non-Film Score Discussion: Should Freedom Of Speech Be Unlimited?    << < 2 3 4 5 6  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

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