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 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

If there is one state of being that seems most natural, it's war.




I don't mind.


War, what is it good for?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

"Have a good one"..."No worries"..."It's all good"...

Should Freedom Of Speech Be Unlimited?

Dear god no! These phrases need to be banned!

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   Col. Flagg   (Member)

Judaism is a fairly small religion with only circa 14.7 million followers, yet it has had a big impact on world affairs.

Just because close-minded, ignorant racists suggest this doesn't make it true, Ibelin.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

If a Christian rejects Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, then he'll supposedly go to Hell.

I've really gotta inquire about this one: why on Earth would a Christian reject Jesus of Nazareth as their Lord and Savior? This is a seemingly oxymoronic statement.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 8:48 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Just to be clear (because I don't want my previous comment to be misunderstood), I do not believe freedom of speech is a God-given right*.
I said it because that is something one hears a lot of so-called religious people say.
And I disagree with that idea strongly.



I'll bite. Do you believe that freedom of speech IS a right? If, so, from where does such a right originate?



I don't think it is a right in particular.
Speaking for myself, I will always give someone opinion the time of day if they speak with insight and intelligence.
Good manners don't hurt either.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 10:13 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

I've really gotta inquire about this one: why on Earth would a Christian reject Jesus of Nazareth as their Lord and Savior? This is a seemingly oxymoronic statement.

He'd be an ex-Christian. Use your head, man! eek If you need a simpler example, if someone sins without sincerely repenting to God afterward, then he'll go to Hell! So if you murder someone or if you play with your wiener, then you'd better pray to God to ask for His forgiveness.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

Just because close-minded, ignorant racists suggest this doesn't make it true, Ibelin.

Jews constitute an ethnoreligious group, so the people you have in mind aren't strictly racist. But that's beside the point. Judaism has had a major impact on world history. Read the following article if you're interested in learning more: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Judaism/The-role-of-Judaism-in-Western-culture-and-civilization. The article states that 'while the influence of Jews has increased in almost every realm of cultural life, the impact of Judaism itself has diminished.' That is certainly true, because Jews are far less religious than even Americans overall; but I'm not even going to get into the influence of Jews on the modern world: It's what those 'ignorant racists' focus on, not me.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I'll bite. Do you believe that freedom of speech IS a right? If, so, from where does such a right originate?
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I don't think it is a right in particular.
Speaking for myself, I will always give someone's opinion the time of day if they speak with insight and intelligence.


You seem unclear as to what freedom of speech is all about. It doesn't depend upon whether you welcome someone's opinion or not. It has to do with whether the other person is free to offer their opinion without fear of prosecution. The right exists in large part so that people may express opinions that you do not welcome.

Since you don't believe that the right exists in the first place, is there any restriction on your speech that you would not accept?

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

If there is one state of being that seems most natural, it's war.




I don't mind.


War, what is it good for?


Absolutely nothing!

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 3:54 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Just to be clear (because I don't want my previous comment to be misunderstood), I do not believe freedom of speech is a God-given right*.
I said it because that is something one hears a lot of so-called religious people say.
And I disagree with that idea strongly.



I'll bite. Do you believe that freedom of speech IS a right? If, so, from where does such a right originate?



I don't think it is a right in particular.
Speaking for myself, I will always give someone opinion the time of day if they speak with insight and intelligence.
Good manners don't hurt either.


There are no god given rights or rights in the natural world. Humans create morals and assign rights to individuals. Of course "morals' is a tricky topic because some people think they are morally superior to others so the rights given are not always to everyone.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"I Didn't Break The Law...I AM THE LAW!!!"

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Is it the right time to remind you lot what you already know about no religious discussion on here? Lol

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Is it the right time to remind you lot what you already know about no religious discussion on here? Lol

Or political discussion? Sometimes you just have to go with the flow!

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Should Freedom Of Speech Be Unlimited?




Yes, but Kirk would be the first to say, you can’t have enough love making!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

While we're here- why was the ' what's the point ' thread shut down?

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

While we're here- why was the ' what's the point ' thread shut down?

Because I bumped it? Really if we’re having fun, even if it’s senseless fun what’s the harm in it? Maybe it’s a bandwidth issue.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

While we're here- why was the ' what's the point ' thread shut down?

Because I bumped it? Really if we’re having fun, even if it’s senseless fun what’s the harm in it? Maybe it’s a bandwidth issue.


Oh. Shall I start a new ' deleted' off? smile

Maybe they mistook amicability for nastiness, Grrr, grrr!

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

While we're here- why was the ' what's the point ' thread shut down?

Because I bumped it? Really if we’re having fun, even if it’s senseless fun what’s the harm in it? Maybe it’s a bandwidth issue.


Oh. Shall I start a new ' deleted' off? smile

Maybe they mistook amicability for nastiness, Grrr, grrr!


You don’t need to start one. They seem to start themselves on a daily basis!

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)


You seem unclear as to what freedom of speech is all about. It doesn't depend upon whether you welcome someone's opinion or not. It has to do with whether the other person is free to offer their opinion without fear of prosecution. The right exists in large part so that people may express opinions that you do not welcome.

Since you don't believe that the right exists in the first place, is there any restriction on your speech that you would not accept?



I said it all in my very first post, Bob.
I don't see how I could make it clearer than that.
From what I gather in your replies, you seem more concerned with the legal aspects--and that's perfectly fine.
That's just not particularly what I was talking about.
I don't care to get into the legal aspects of it because the legalities can and do vary from country to country.
I was more interested in the moral aspects--those have a more broad and universal significance (to me, anyway).

And, once again, I did not say I don't necessarily feel it's a right--I merely said I don't really believe it's a "God-given" right--as many people seem to claim.
Maybe my use of that phrase is skewing the thread down a slightly different and unintended road.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

No more than insurance companies using "act of God" as a generic term for no-fault situations. smile

 
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