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 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 1:04 AM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)


Although slightly concerned for my mother, a 74yr old asthma sufferer, I am otherwise ignoring the 'hype' over this. The media, scandalously, has blown this out of all proportion with dreadful headlines that are designed to scare and panic people - and are doing just that. In all probability, the effects of a recession, which 'we' are talking ourselves into will have more far reaching consequences than the virus itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 1:09 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Yeah, common sense & wash your hands (which is something I've always done on returning home). And I agree with Mark, in the long term you have to wonder if the economic effects of this outbreak will kill a lot more people than the actual virus.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Edw, sorry about your son and his immune disorder. Hope all is well with him. I do worry about this virus. It is certainly a plague for Baby Boomers. I don't think I'd survive it.

Of course, washing hands is a must, but it seems to be airborne, and not breathing at all is a bit difficult.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)


I am pretty shocked at the way people are going about the doomsday stocking up. However, living in New England where a snowflake on the ground creates panic buying, I shouldn't be surprised I guess.

I think the thing that unnerves me the most is that my son may end up in the hospital again in a few days or week for this latest issue. Hospitals are giant petri dishes for every germ and virus out there. Being in the er was bad enough.

Keeping my son in mind, I bought hand sanitizer and antibacterial wipes some weeks ago but it was for the times he comes here. Everything was plentiful when I shopped for it. He works with the public which also is a huge risk. Being mid sixties myself, who knows about me. Again, we need to be smart and not panic. I keep telling myself that but it is hard.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

For starters it seems sensible for supermarkets to restrict every customer to one of any item. Or put a sign up saying there is no shortage, no need to stockpile.

Forget it, Bill. It's capitalism.


Try getting those items in the socialist paradise that is Venezuela.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I suppose I'm a baby boomer (born 1950), but I'd be hopeful of surviving this latest plague, I had a lung test last year after a really nasty & long bronchial infection, & it turns out my lung age is 43, I have no smoking & a lot of walking to thank for that. I was out this afternoon & all the shops were well stocked & lots of people about. I'm stocked up on coffee & booze & baked beans, so I'm alright.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I suppose I'm a baby boomer (born 1950), but I'd be hopeful of surviving this latest plague, I had a lung test last year after a really nasty & long bronchial infection, & it turns out my lung age is 43, I have no smoking & a lot of walking to thank for that. I was out this afternoon & all the shops were well stocked & lots of people about. I'm stocked up on coffee & booze & baked beans, so I'm alright.

It's posts like the above that make you and fellow Boomer PaulHickling among my favorite FSMers.

So are Joan and Edwzoomom, even though they probably think I need a long-overdue paddling, retroactive from childhood.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Exhaustive, detailed info with ongoing updates:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR0UlDaA-4E7LISHKOs8EG-2gsQnVXELYeIVG0z94M5FYbPmZ0kBIu5xaNA


Thanks for this link; it has been useful.

Outside of China, the death toll drops considerably. In fact, there's no comparison: over 3,000 in China; 48 in South Korea.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

I suppose I'm a baby boomer (born 1950), but I'd be hopeful of surviving this latest plague, I had a lung test last year after a really nasty & long bronchial infection, & it turns out my lung age is 43, I have no smoking & a lot of walking to thank for that. I was out this afternoon & all the shops were well stocked & lots of people about. I'm stocked up on coffee & booze & baked beans, so I'm alright.

It's posts like the above that make you and fellow Boomer PaulHickling among my favorite FSMers.

So are Joan and Edwzoomom, even though they probably think I need a long-overdue paddling, retroactive from childhood.


No Jim, it's all good. smile I loved Rameau's post as well.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

For starters it seems sensible for supermarkets to restrict every customer to one of any item. Or put a sign up saying there is no shortage, no need to stockpile.

Forget it, Bill. It's capitalism.


Try getting those items in the socialist paradise that is Venezuela.


Yep, and in case it wasn't obvious, my point was that most business owners in a capitalist economic system aren't going to make a concerted effort to discourage people from buying their products, even if (or perhaps, especially if) those purchases are unnecessary. They're trying to make as much money as possible (and that's okay!). No one is forcing people to buy these products, much less stockpile.

On the other hand, when they withhold product to increase demand so they can raise prices, that's not cool. wink

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 11:09 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

I got it josh, and youre right. Supermarkets want empty shelves even if theyve got pissed off customers.

I thought there would be a concerted effort to stop such panic buying which create shortages, but one uk paper yesterday was even telling people to stockpile for 2 weeks in case they need to self isolate?!! Ffs.

Hey lets all make this ten times worse ...

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 3:08 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

A friend of mine works in a forensic lab, and a girl he works with went home with flu like symptoms on Friday afternoon. Work rang him yesterday to say she has tested for that virus, and she has to self isolate for 2 weeks. The silly girl came home from Italy last weekend and went into work on Monday. 3 others from the group were announced last night on the news. He has to attend tomorrow and it looks like he will be tested. Of course he told me a lot of this in the pub on Friday night!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)

A friend of mine works in a forensic lab, and a girl he works with went home with flu like symptoms on Friday afternoon. Work rang him yesterday to say she has tested for that virus, and she has to self isolate for 2 weeks. The silly girl came home from Italy last weekend and went into work on Monday. 3 others from the group were announced last night on the news. He has to attend tomorrow and it looks like he will be tested. Of course he told me a lot of this in the pub on Friday night!


When you say she has tested for that virus, do you mean she has tested positive for the virus?

What I don't get is that we are allowing people to come back from areas that are worst hit by the virus, like N. Italy and not forceably ensuring that they are quarantined. And I mean not letting them have the choice whether to isolate themselves or, like the girl just go back to work, and spread the virus and possibly kill people as a result. I would stick them in a field somewhere in tent. In the same way that people carrying the aids virus have been prosecuted for willfully spreading it, people that have been proven to irresponsibly, selfishly spread Coronovirus should be charged also. I am afraid the early use of draconian methods could be the only way to stop the spread of the virus. I heard the other day that one person was found to have the virus in North Korea. He was shot.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Yes, sorry I meant she has tested positive. Her and 2 others in the same group who travelled apparently. So 3 in total.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I got it josh, and youre right. Supermarkets want empty shelves even if theyve got pissed off customers.

I thought there would be a concerted effort to stop such panic buying which create shortages, but one uk paper yesterday was even telling people to stockpile for 2 weeks in case they need to self isolate?!! Ffs.

Hey lets all make this ten times worse ...


Yeah, our lovely newspapers, create the panic & then report on it. People will have a spare room chock full of loo paper, & in a few days the supermarket shelves will be full again.

Northern Italy quarantines 16 million people (a quarter of the population).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Maybe better to just stick the newspapers IN the toilet roll section of the supermarkets and advise customers to wipe their arses with that.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)

Maybe better to just stick the newspapers IN the toilet roll section of the supermarkets and advise customers to wipe their arses with that.


I second that ! The scaremongering of the newpapers here in the UK is scandalous. Yesterday's Telegraph (and this is one of the better newspapers) advised people with elderly parents to see them quickly "before they are quarantined". My old mum emailed me about this, i told her i would see her next weekend as i was currently busy, and that probably she would be lucky to survive the quarantine if she caught it as she had asthma. Luckily, she knows my sense of humour. she even guessed last week that the two CDs that i had delivered to her house were not hardcore porn as i had told her in my text.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

A friend of mine works in a forensic lab, and a girl he works with went home with flu like symptoms on Friday afternoon. Work rang him yesterday to say she has tested for that virus, and she has to self isolate for 2 weeks. The silly girl came home from Italy last weekend and went into work on Monday. 3 others from the group were announced last night on the news. He has to attend tomorrow and it looks like he will be tested. Of course he told me a lot of this in the pub on Friday night!

How come nobody knew northern Italy would be a problem? I go there once a year and even i know from places like prato, to milan it is there textile and clothes making area, so huge chinese population and a lot of sweatshops and a lot of cheap chinese clothes and suitcase shops. They flagged up london bcoz of big chinese population so why not northern Italy? The bulk of uk cases seem to have come from kids who were sent there for holidays during half term in february and people who have been there - and are still going there -for breaks/skiing whatever.

Nothing like this will ever be contained - whether its a severe flu like this or even something more serious. Far too many people travel for work and events and conferences, european football matches, immigrants go home to visit families, plenty people have winter holidays, multi-venue cruise ships, etc, ...outside of draconian barring of all movement, you will only slow it down, not stop it.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2020 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Supermarkets want empty shelves even if theyve got pissed off customers.


Absolutely not... Supermarkets love full shelves where people can buy all the stuff they want all the time. An empty shelf has next to ZERO equity value (if it's empty for too long, it'll have a negative value, costing money but not returning revenue.)

 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2020 - 12:30 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

I shouldve been more specific. Supermarkets want empty shelves - especially if they can replace them overnight, because it means theyve sold probably 50% or 60% more than they would normally do.

Of course, stockpiling means one thing. Big spend this week, small spend or no spend next week.

 
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