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 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Despite its massive box office success, Indiana Jones didn't achieve the same heights of commercialisticism as other Lucas or Spielberg properties like Star Wars and E.T. Yes, there has been much more in recent decades, but during the 1980s it wasn't necessarily so. I remember comics, Topps trading cards, the half-assed Kenner toys, and a shoddy video game, but Indy never attained the commercial crossover success it should have.

Oh, and I would kill for a DVD of the original "Making of Raiders" special that always aired on PBS circa 1981-82...

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

"Toht" and The "Cairo Swordsman" were treated much worse in Raiders than they were in this Indiana Jones action figure toy commercial:


Another action figure toy line that bombed.


Interesting behind-the-scenes story of Kenner's Indiana Jones toy line:



There should have been a "Temple of the Idol" toy playset. It could have had the rolling boulder, a mini replica of the idol itself and sinking altar.

However, the shooting darts from the walls would have been "too much" for some.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

There was an MPC Raiders of the Lost Ark model kit, that doubled as a play set.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-z8PgQcLpILk/Um6tzJgXNOI/AAAAAAAAjvo/hoL7BeYGi-s/s1600/raidersmodelkit.jpg

http://www.icollector.com/RAIDERS-OF-THE-LOST-ARK-DESERT-CHASE-ACTION-SCENE-MODEL-KIT-AND-ORIGINAL-BOX-ART_i13427767

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

$3500.00 for that?!? Gotta hand it to them for dedication!

The old Kenner Indiana Jones toyline covered the desert scenes quite well: truck, horse, Well of Souls, Map Room, and Streets of Cairo.

However, they should have done the South American temple, the flying wing, and of course the college classroom complete with adoring women students. wink

Oh, and Marcus Brody didn't even merit his own action figure, either! Nor did Dietrich or Captain Katanga! Hell, they should have done the Bantu Wind as a playset!

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

$3500.00 for that?!? Gotta hand it to them for dedication!

The old Kenner Indiana Jones toyline covered the desert scenes quite well: truck, horse, Well of Souls, Map Room, and Streets of Cairo.

However, they should have done the South American temple, the flying wing, and of course the college classroom complete with adoring women students. wink

Oh, and Marcus Brody didn't even merit his own action figure, either! Nor did Dietrich or Captain Katanga! Hell, they should have done the Bantu Wind as a playset!


The auction sites other than Ebay are rip offs or the bidders are clueless. Well both look at the "winners fee". You can probably nab that kit on Ebay for a couple hundred dollars.

I also saw an Aurora Sealab III kit sell for thousands on those kind of sites.

Example: https://www.barnebys.com/auctions/lot/455923683/aurora-u-s-navy-sealab-iii-factory-sealed-boxed-model-kit/

I was able to win one on Ebay for $90 dollars though its a highly prized kit for collectors.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Oh, and Marcus Brody didn't even merit his own action figure, either! Nor did Dietrich or Captain Katanga! Hell, they should have done the Bantu Wind as a playset!

And the U-boat. Repeat after me, kiddies:

"Vee vill take vot vee vont and zen decide vedder to blow your ship from ze vater!"

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2018 - 4:03 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Oh, and Marcus Brody didn't even merit his own action figure, either! Nor did Dietrich or Captain Katanga! Hell, they should have done the Bantu Wind as a playset!

And the U-boat.


It could accompany the U-boat pen playset.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2018 - 4:19 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


The auction sites other than Ebay are rip offs or the bidders are clueless. Well both look at the "winners fee". You can probably nab that kit on Ebay for a couple hundred dollars.

I also saw an Aurora Sealab III kit sell for thousands on those kind of sites.

Example: https://www.barnebys.com/auctions/lot/455923683/aurora-u-s-navy-sealab-iii-factory-sealed-boxed-model-kit/

I was able to win one on Ebay for $90 dollars though its a highly prized kit for collectors.


One of the "concerns" I would have as an accumulator of plastic collectibles would be the degeneration over time of said plastic. Increasing brittleness and the like. I've read that this occurs with action figures, and I would surmise that it also happens with model kits? Or do they consist of a superior plastic? My father's plastic model airplanes from the early '60s became rather brittle over the decades.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2018 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


The auction sites other than Ebay are rip offs or the bidders are clueless. Well both look at the "winners fee". You can probably nab that kit on Ebay for a couple hundred dollars.

I also saw an Aurora Sealab III kit sell for thousands on those kind of sites.

Example: https://www.barnebys.com/auctions/lot/455923683/aurora-u-s-navy-sealab-iii-factory-sealed-boxed-model-kit/

I was able to win one on Ebay for $90 dollars though its a highly prized kit for collectors.


One of the "concerns" I would have as an accumulator of plastic collectibles would be the degeneration over time of said plastic. Increasing brittleness and the like. I've read that this occurs with action figures, and I would surmise that it also happens with model kits? Or do they consist of a superior plastic? My father's plastic model airplanes from the early '60s became rather brittle over the decades.


No, really isn't a problem. Won't plastics last thousands of years in the ground? I think action figures are made from different kinds of plastic. Model kits are made from Polystyrene, which are non biodegradable. (Some nowadays are made from "Abs" plastic, garage kits are made from "vinyl" or "resin".)

There are some brittle model kits, but it's based on the quality of the plastic pellets used. Which can change year to year and from location. A brand new kit could be brittle, as much as a kit produced 40 years ago. I also think it depends how fast the factory workers pull the plastic from the molds. (cooling time) Even then, the only parts that are fragile would be very small delicate pieces. (Like an antenna) The one exception are clear plastic parts which are always very brittle. I think it's the same plastic, but without color pigment added to it. So I guess it adds strength too.

There's modelers who purchase 50 year old kits, open them up, and build them without any issues. Modelers who buy 40 year old "glue bombs". Kits that were glued together and painted decades ago. Take them apart, strip the paint, and rebuild and repaint them.

The only thing that doesn't last for decades in the box are the water slide decals. 30 year old decals will disintegrate in the water if you tried to use them.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2018 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Thanks for the detailed reply! I guess what I was thinking of the increasingly brittle plastic of some toy soldiers and a Navarone playset I have, and I wondered if that could happen with plastic model kits.

There was also video which discussed how the legs and torsos of 1980s G.I. Joe figures are held together with a type of "O-ring" which deteriorates over time. This deterioration can occur to a mint-on-card figure, thus leaving a pile of limbs inside the still-on-a-bubble card. This ruins the toy's value, though the figure itself can be restored out of the package.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2018 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Thanks for the detailed reply! I guess what I was thinking of the increasingly brittle plastic of some toy soldiers and a Navarone playset I have, and I wondered if that could happen with plastic model kits.

There was also video which discussed how the legs and torsos of 1980s G.I. Joe figures are held together with a type of "O-ring" which deteriorates over time. This deterioration can occur to a mint-on-card figure, thus leaving a pile of limbs inside the still-on-a-bubble card. This ruins the toy's value, though the figure itself can be restored out of the package.


Those damn O-Rings. LOL. Yeah, that's a different kinda plastic. I think "soft vinyl, and it breaks down much easier.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2018 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The reason Kenner's Indiana Jones action figure line flopped was because it did not arrive in stores until 1982. It also was made on the cheap and was based on pre-existing toys from the cinematic flop, "Butch and Sundance: the Early Years." Watch the previously embedded video for the story.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 4:36 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Roshan Seth comes off like such an insufferable prick in the Temple of Doom bonus features.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The reason Kenner's Indiana Jones action figure line flopped was because it did not arrive in stores until 1982. It also was made on the cheap and was based on pre-existing toys from the cinematic flop, "Butch and Sundance: the Early Years." Watch the previously embedded video for the story.

I think action figure collecting was still mostly a kids thing back then. They didn't flop because of the quality of the product. There's just nothing exciting about a "Raiders" action figure line. No robots, spaceships, blasters, exotic alien characters. It doesn't even compare to WW2 figures which have bombs, tanks, planes, figures with flamethrowers. The Indiana Jones line didn't even merchandise what little it had to inspire young minds (with death and destruction), like the German wing plane or the tank in Last Crusade.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

It is absolutely stupid to travel as a stowaway on a submarine unless you're trying out for a contender slot at the next Darwin Awards.

When I was a kid, and saw Raiders opening night, a few people in the audience laughed at the shot of the sub captain turning around and facing the camera, because the actor bore a vague resemblance to Harrison Ford -- and some people thought it was Indy in disguise!

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Did the Nazis not hear the Bantu Wind crew cheering Indy on when he boarded the U-boat?

How could they not hear that?

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Did the Nazis not hear the Bantu Wind crew cheering Indy on when he boarded the U-boat?

How could they not hear that?


No, they probably thought the crew were thrilled the U-boat was leaving and didn't blow them out of the water.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Did the Nazis not hear the Bantu Wind crew cheering Indy on when he boarded the U-boat?

How could they not hear that?


No, they probably thought the crew were thrilled the U-boat was leaving and didn't blow them out of the water.


That viewpoint destroys my previous belief that Captain Katanga was entirely too bad ass to be frightened of those wimps. wink

BTw, Katanga's given the first name "Simon" in the old Marvel Indy comic. I no longer have the novelization; is his first name given there?

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Did the Nazis not hear the Bantu Wind crew cheering Indy on when he boarded the U-boat?

How could they not hear that?


No, they probably thought the crew were thrilled the U-boat was leaving and didn't blow them out of the water.


That viewpoint destroys my previous belief that Captain Katanga was entirely too bad ass to be frightened of those wimps. wink

BTw, Katanga's given the first name "Simon" in the old Marvel Indy comic. I no longer have the novelization; is his first name given there?


I agree Captain Katanga was a bad ass.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

There was quite a bit of that going on:

"He's there!"
"Where?"
"I don't know. I'm makin' it up as I go!"

"A British Tar is a soaring soul, as free as a mountain bird . . ." Come to think of it, they left that one off all the albums, didn't they?



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