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 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


Have you seen 1900?
Completes the ' trilogy of tedium'



I have, thanks. Superb all around; Depardieu and De Nero were the stars, but Lancaster and Sutherland more than held up their ends. Sutherland’s way of dispensing with the small boy problem is one of the more memorably shocking things I’ve seen on film.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Riveting film indeed though I feel a large part of it is fiction over fact, and I'm not talking about the assignation conspiracies.

Then just what are you talking about?

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Im with jenk on jfk.
Contentious subject always but a fantastic film.
And a sublime and clever score from john williams.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

JFK (1991)
9/10

Absolutely riveting film about the Jim Garrison investigation into the John F. Kennedy assassination. It's 3-1/2 hours long, but feels like a 90-minute film. It's probably a little hard for someone who's never seen the film before to keep track of all the characters, but still highly recommended.


Yes.
The so- called ' fiction' s just standard character and timeline creative license. The facts presented are not fiction.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

JFK (1991)
9/10

Absolutely riveting film about the Jim Garrison investigation into the John F. Kennedy assassination. It's 3-1/2 hours long, but feels like a 90-minute film. It's probably a little hard for someone who's never seen the film before to keep track of all the characters, but still highly recommended.


Yes.
The so- called ' fiction' s just standard character and timeline creative license. The facts presented are not fiction.



Walter Cronkite disagreed. According to film critic Roger Ebert: "Shortly after the film was released, I ran into Walter Cronkite and received a tongue-lashing, aimed at myself and my colleagues who had praised “JFK.” There was not, he said, a shred of truth in it. It was a mishmash of fabrications and paranoid fantasies. It did not reflect the most elementary principles of good journalism. We should all be ashamed of ourselves.

"I have no doubt Cronkite was correct, from his point of view. But I am a film critic and my assignment is different than his. He wants facts. I want moods, tones, fears, imaginings, whims, speculations, nightmares."



 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Walter Cronkite was a propaganda agent for the Warren Commision from the day it was published.
Like I said before. as is the case, with The Holocaust, there is no 'debate' bout what happened.You are entitled to live in your fantasy world of lone gunmen and magic bullets. I chose to seek the truth.
Brm

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Btw you.misinterpted Eberts comment. He praised the film and.defended its truthfulness many times. He wasn't saying he agreed with Cronkite but understood his point of view I.e being a. news man and a life long defender of the Warren Commission.
Nothing more to say but I am sure you will continue to disagree.

There is a depressing consistency between people who dismiss the reality of UFOs and defenders of the lone nut theory of history:
neither group have done even the slightest amount of research into these subjects but both act like they know what the truth is.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Riveting film indeed though I feel a large part of it is fiction over fact, and I'm not talking about the assignation conspiracies.

Then just what are you talking about?


As was discussed characters, events and motivations are highly fictional.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Riveting film indeed though I feel a large part of it is fiction over fact, and I'm not talking about the assignation conspiracies.

Then just what are you talking about?




As are most.films.based on real.events a.g. SHINDLERS LIST and DUNKIRK.

As was discussed characters, events and motivations are highly fictional.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Riveting film indeed though I feel a large part of it is fiction over fact, and I'm not talking about the assignation conspiracies.

Then just what are you talking about?




As are most.films.based on real.events a.g. SHINDLERS LIST and DUNKIRK.

As was discussed characters, events and motivations are highly fictional.


Which is why as an adult I don't enjoy bio-pics anymore.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Btw you.misinterpted Eberts comment. He praised [JFK] and defended its truthfulness many times.


Ebert included JFK among his designated "Great Movies." He began his 2002 "Great Movies" write-up on the film as follows: "I don't have the slightest idea whether Oliver Stone knows who killed President John F. Kennedy. I have no opinion on the factual accuracy of his 1991 film “JFK.” I don't think that's the point. This is not a film about the facts of the assassination, but about the feelings."

You can call that a defense of the film's truthfulness if you want, as long as you don't mistake "truthfulness" for "factual accuracy."

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Personally, I wouldn't have trusted Walter Cronkite to tell me what time of day it was. As for the truthfulness of JFK, most, if not all, of what Stone postulated in that film (and what Garrison said) was shown to be accurate by the release of various Government records. Fact.

I don't care that much about criticisms of the film regarding "composite characters", etc. A film can only be so long....

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

The Mountain Men
5/10
A bit repetetive and flat looking. Didn't think the Legrand score fit too well. Liked Brian Keith.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2019 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

As for the truthfulness of JFK, most, if not all, of what Stone postulated in that film (and what Garrison said) was shown to be accurate by the release of various Government records. Fact.



I'd be interested in hearing the biggest "fact" that Stone presented that showed that anyone other than Oswald, acting alone, killed Kennedy.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2019 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I'd be interested in hearing the biggest "fact" that Stone presented that showed that anyone other than Oswald, acting alone, killed Kennedy.

What, do you honestly want me to type out the script for the entire 3-1/2 hour movie here in the "What Movie Did You Watch?" thread? The film is full of statements by witnesses and true facts, known even to "Lone Nut" subscribers, that are almost, if not completely, impossible to explain away...

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2019 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

Gunman's Walk
3.5/10
Rather dull western that plays like an sxtended tv western episode. Van Heflin and Tab Hunter are decent though.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2019 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Enemy Mine (Wolfgang Peterson, 1984) 4/10

Still as pedestrian today as it was 35 years ago, not without tacky charme though. It's almost astonishing how little imagination went into the script for this production, which -- at least in theory -- could have been a serious contender for one of the great cool sci-fi flicks of the 1980s. The special effects are still fun, even in moments when they are not convincing, but some of it is hard to swallow... like making a make-shift shelter out of space tortoise shells as protection from meteorite showers... for real? (Why not just move to a cave... seems the better option to me, and caves where obviously available.)

The movie just plays everything so safe, so formulaic, it's hard to become really engaged. It's fun to watch Dennis Quaid's turn from bloodthirsty madman to "let my Drac people go" space-Moses, even though it's never more than a cardboard character. Louis Gossett Jr. has the better role and peforms admirably under all that makeup, but his alien character is.. well, way too little alien. The Dracs are so much like human beings, there is little tension and this all just boils down to "can't we just get along" sentiment. Sure, why not... there's no reason why Dracs and humans should fight in the first place. (I know that's the point, but they should have at least some difficulties to overcome).

Paul Verhoeven's way more ambitious (and ambiguous) STARSHIP TROOPERS had at least the nerve to show truly alien aliens (They are bugs! So of course they can be hated! Or not?), whereas in ENEMY MINE there are more differences between some Nations on Earth than there are between the Dracs and the humans in the film.
Still, I like this corny sci-fi flick for some of its moments (and Maurice Jarre's score), particularly the middle part, when it almost feels like a well staged play (the artificial sets contribute to this impression). It does have a certain goofy charm.

The gung-ho cowboy rescue ending (with strong parallels to "Indiana Jones And The Temple of Doom") completely misses the mark though and feels tacked on. Then again, almost everything in this movie is ripped off and pasted in from some other film. :-)

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2019 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

The Age of Summer: 5/10

It means well through its realism, but it meanders so much like reality, I thought I was coming-of-age in real time!

Amityville: The Awakening: 4/10

Goes through horror's usual tropes and stingers, then has the gall to bring up the original film as a prop to justify remaking the original film, just to end sloppily... like the original film. Only the performances held it together, but this does no favor for gingers.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2019 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Enemy Mine (Wolfgang Peterson, 1984) 4/10

    Still as pedestrian today as it was 35 years ago, not without tacky charme though. It's almost astonishing how little imagination went into the script this production, which -- at least in theory -- could have been a serious contender for one the the great cool sci-fi flicks of the 1980s. The special effects are still fun, even in moments when they are not convincing, but some of it is hard to swallow... like making a make-shift shelter out of space tortoise shells as protection from meteorite showers... for real? (Why not just move to a cave... seems the better option to me, and caves where obviously available.)

    The movie just plays everything so safe, so formulaic, it's hard to become really engaged. It's fun to watch Dennis Quaid's turn from bloodthirsty madman to "let my Drac people go" space-Moses, even though it's never more than a cardboard character. Louis Gossett Jr. has the better role and peforms admirably under all that makeup, but his alien character is.. well, way too little alien. The Dracs are so much like human beings, there is little tension and this all just boils down to "can't we just get along" sentiment. Sure, why not... there's no reason why Dracs and humans should fight in the first place. (I know that's the point, but they should have at least some difficulties to overcome).

    Paul Verhoeven's way more ambitious (and ambiguous) STARSHIP TROOPERS had at least the nerve to show truly alien aliens (They are bugs! So of course they can be hated! Or not?), whereas in ENEMY MINE there are more differences between some Nations on Earth than they are between the Dracs and the humans in the film.
    Still, I like this corny sci-fi flick for some of its moments (and Maurice Jarre's score), particularly the middle part, when it almost feels like a well staged play (the artificial sets contribute to this impression). It does have a certain goofy charm.

    The gung-ho cowboy rescue ending (with strong parallels to "Indiana Jones And The Temple of Doom") completely misses the mark though and feels tacked on. Then again, almost everything in this movie is ripped off and pasted in from some other film. :-)


    Enemy Mine: 7/10

    As scuttlebutt goes....

    STUDIO SUIT: It's called Enemy Mine, so it should have a mine with enemies in it! CHA-CHING!!

    Despite that, I liked how it developed as a two-man stage play (an apt description wink ) and believed Quaid's transformation as Space Moses, even though it ended with the tacked-on showdown, but Petersen had the good sense to cast Brion James as the baddie. I could've sworn that Gossett was nominated for an Oscar for this. I'm not usually into Jarre's electronic stylings, but the synth portion of this score is a grand exception.

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     Posted:   May 20, 2019 - 10:04 AM   
     By:   Ado   (Member)

    Detective Pikachu 7/10
    Not nearly as bad as a thought it would be. The city backdrop is something of a Blade Runner riff, and the interior sets are a throwback to noir films, old style blinds, shadows. In a real surprise, this movie was shot on actual film, and it pays off. The story has some turns and surprises, it veers a bit far into nerdland at a couple points, but otherwise, oddly and surprisingly entertaining. The score by Jackman actual works quite well here, a hybrid of his 8 bit styling and some asiatic flavors with orchestra. It feels quite a bit like a film from the late 80's or early 90's, but made with advanced technical powers at hand.
    In the end, rather sweet natured, that is a rare thing.

     
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