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 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Honestly the whole world seems to have taken the same nose dive to shit in the last three years since the pandemic. At least Western culture. Death and destruction at an unbelievable amount; politics became hyper-focused on culture and personal lifestyle of individuals over policy and integrity; the cost of living is expanding the lower classes and shrinking the upper class; et al. It's the downward spiral and Disney just needs scapegoats to throw under the bus rather than insult their shareholders.

That is pretty much 98% a GOP driven agenda you described. The funny thing is, the so called 'liberals' were under war against so called 'woke (which really just means aware) for the past couple years, but in actuality, most Americans really are not on board with the so called "war against woke" championed by Florida Ron and the ultra righties. Ever time there is some media correction the R's assume that is a signal that most Americans really actually are terrible human beings that despise certain classes of people or sexual identities, but in actuality it is really not true, except for about 25% of Americans. Those Americans are indeed pretty dreadful human beings.

Disney casting for diversity or whatever is not really a problem because the thing in itself, it most often makes sense to be diverse. The problem is that certain companies and brands are intrinsically classical and orthodox to their history, and when they run grain against it things get bumpy. It happened with updating classic animated films, Star Trek, Star Wars, other I am sure.

As far as policy and integrity, yeah, all that is entirely out the door, when you have one of our two political parties that has lost its collective mind, there is no progress of any kind. It is all downhill from here, the US has already seen the best days. Just sober yourself that somewhere around 1/4 of US citizens are fine with a violent overthrow of democracy to achieve a dictatorship. And it is a 'conservative dictatorship". The path forward is darn bleak

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   Phil567   (Member)

Disney in the news yesterday.

https://treasurer.sc.gov/about-us/newsroom/treasurer-loftis-removes-disney-from-state-portfolios/


That is conservative posturing, but, still news


The message from this seems to be, if you dish out boycotting against others, you should be prepared to take it yourself.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Disney in the news yesterday.

https://treasurer.sc.gov/about-us/newsroom/treasurer-loftis-removes-disney-from-state-portfolios/


That is conservative posturing, but, still news


The message from this seems to be, if you dish out boycotting against others, you should be prepared to take it yourself.



I have no idea what he is talking about Disney boycotting, truly.

Does he mean Disney withdrawing advertising from Twitter because of the platforming of hate speech?
I think that must be it, and that is not boycotting, it is smart business decision.

I would love for someone to tell me that this guy is not actually this stupid, but I am pretty sure he is. This party might want to reconsider that being the group that protects the businesses of billionaire racists is not the best look, well, except for about 25% of the US, because, well, that is who they really are.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

These "independent thinkers" who go off on Disney are just taking cues from the politicos who pander to them.

It does seem a disservice to a message board meant for sharing a love of art and the humanities that the local reactionaries seem intent on sullying it with the vendettas they've adopted, but hey, free speech and all includes the freedom to adopt other men's confusion as their own.

Just don't expect us music score lovers to take it seriously.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

The most ironic thing about the posturing from people like Treasurer Loftis and others is that they would take a donation from Disney in a heartbeat. When you work in politics you actively give up your freedom to have principles and just put your hand out and beg for the money from any entity that will give it to you. Disney is still actively donating to the GOP but I can only assume it is lessening as their politicians continue to attack American history, its people, and values.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

yup yup, recall the old days of the old GOP, when they were all about free market etc, staying out of the private sector, that is so hilariously not the case now. Ridiculous, and yes, if Loftis got a call from Disney to send him cash he would happily take it. Yes, the obfuscation of our history is sickening. Ya know the thing about democracy, and a society built on a melting pot? You are not always going to like everything, or everyone, but you really have to accept that, or the whole thing starts to unravel, like it is now. We have a substantial amount of our fellow citizens who have decided that if America is not a white protestant conservative nation, they will simply burn it to the ground to get what they want. Disney has decided against that, whatever your beefs with them. They are still correct.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

It feels like you can trace a line to politics getting increasingly concerned with the business decisions of these corporations when we truly started to consider whether Chic Fil A or whatever other entity you want to name had the same Rights as a US citizen and just like a Disney movie in real life we started "humanizing" these corporations and politicians increasingly started to either fight for their Rights or attempt to strip them away. It quickly erased the facade of how much wealth and influence cooperate America had over politics and elected officials.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

It feels like you can trace a line to politics getting increasingly concerned with the business decisions of these corporations when we truly started to consider whether Chic Fil A or whatever other entity you want to name had the same Rights as a US citizen and just like a Disney movie in real life we started "humanizing" these corporations and politicians increasingly started to either fight for their Rights or attempt to strip them away. It quickly erased the facade of how much wealth and influence cooperate America had over politics and elected officials.

I think that there is a large class of politicians that have virtually no impact, no community influence, no relevance or bearing on culture at all, either at the city level or the state, and surely not the national level. That is largely because most of them take the job for grifting, for donations, parties, special dinners. They actual resent companies like Disney because a company like that has ENORMOUS social influence. But their is an absence of leadership in politicians, especially on the R end, it is all that horsehockey morality grift, it is the sales pitching of fear and loathing, and it works substantially, especially with the under educated or sub par intellects that populate their constituents.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

100% Ado. It's made even more apparent if you spend a moment to look at their districts or are even familiar with them as a resident of the state and know the areas well enough.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Stop with the political discussion please!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Anyway, Disney is just fine

And-thanks, Phil, I think I figured that out wink
Thanks Nuts

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)


The problem here is the great discrepancy between how Disney (and Disney is especially guilty of this) view themselves, and what they actually are. Nobody objects to entertainment that you infuse with "positive messages" that have a good impact. The problem is when you start infusing movies/stories of all kinds with all kinds of "messages" that you think are "positive messages" but are mostly just your own agenda and ideology that get forced into stories and concepts where they don't even fit, let alone "ring true". That's what people object to and why they don't show up at the box office.


^ This. Lessons and morals and "inclusivity" are fine, but not when they're prioritized over the bones of storytelling that is engaging or even coherent. This is why Disney's been hemorrhaging money for the last three years far more than any Pandemic or strike could have done. They don't want people to whine about the "woke"? Stop shoving it down our goddamn throats.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

They don't want people to whine about the "woke"? Stop shoving it down our goddamn throats.

Well, some of us appreciate certain woke agendas.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Indy1981   (Member)

SNYDERVERSE---Zack Snyder posted the DC Studios Snyderverse has come to an end. Snyder directed three DC Studios movies: MAN OF STEEL, BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE and ZACK SNYDER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE).

It's depressing to think that there actually was such a thing as the Snyderverse.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Enough with all this political fuckery! Paging Mr. Moderator, please!

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Enough with all this political fuckery! Paging Mr. Moderator, please!


Or... you could just not click on the thread.
(BTW, seeing as you want to be Johnny Rule-Book, I'll point out that the mods don't outright forbid profanity--but they would prefer you didn't use it.)
big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Enough with all this political fuckery! Paging Mr. Moderator, please!


Or... you could just not click on the thread.
(BTW, the mods don't outright forbid profanity, but they would prefer you didn't use it.)
big grin


You're certainly one of THE worst offenders, never missing a chance to make BS political statements, even down to your laughable avatar. So yes, you'd know all about the political Effery.

The rules that you love so much also state that politics are verboten here and yet you cant help yourself, insisting on sharing your wisdom with the rest of us. I come here for entertainment, not for being lectured to by two bit idle-brained scholars. I would have thought that was plain even for a simple d'esprit like yourself. Apparently not.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

You're certainly one of THE worst offenders, never missing a chance to make BS political statements, even down to your laughable avatar. So yes, you'd know all about the political Effery.

The rules that you love so much also state that politics are verboten here and yet you cant help yourself, insisting on sharing your wisdom with the rest of us. I come here for entertainment, not for being lectured to by two bit idle-brained scholars. I would have thought that was plain even for a simple d'esprit like yourself. Apparently not.



Okay, Tiger. I'll bite.
When and where do I get political?
I have a feeling that you are confusing me with someone else, but I want to provide you with the opportunity to back up your claim.
(Or it could be that you just enjoy getting threads shut down with faux outrage.)

big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Okay, Tiger. I'll bite.
When and where do I get political?
I have a feeling that you are confusing me with someone else, but I want to provide you with the opportunity to back up your claim.
(Or it could be that you just enjoy getting threads shut down with faux outrage.)

big grin


You may well bite, I won't - or won't not as one former PM once said. Do your own research, you cheeky F'ecker. big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

You may well bite, I won't - or won't not as one former PM once said. Do your own research, you cheeky F'ecker. big grin


In other words... you got nothin'.

Onward we go.

 
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