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 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't this being over hyped? Catching the Coronavirus can certainly be a life or death situation for a minority of the population and it would be tragic if they died from it. But the majority of the world population will get flu like symptoms and eventually get over it, right?

If it is being "over hyped", that would be entirely out of character for our "just-the-facts" corporate media.

Seriously: Don Lemon...sensationalizing something? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

Two kids have just been identified as having coronavirus in a school near where my relatives live in greater Manchester. Kids from that school were in the same cubs group as my nephews aged 7 and 9, so now my concern has risen considerably.


Which school, Xebec? Given I am not far from your neighbourhood, I am a little concerned myself!


Garrett Hall, I believe. It's in Tyldesley, Wigan Borough.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't this being over hyped? Catching the Coronavirus can certainly be a life or death situation for a minority of the population and it would be tragic if they died from it. But the majority of the world population will get flu like symptoms and eventually get over it, right?

A lot of people, most probably even the majority of the world population, will survive this disease. This pandemic will only be a medical problem for you if it affects you severely. The same is true for every other serious disease. If you and your loved ones get over the disease without serious symptoms, you can put all your energy in facing the economical crisis triggered by the pandemic. By the way, it if you should need medical care while the medical system is completely overwhelmed with lots of infected people, you could even die from a scrape.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'm curious as to how the present coronavirus death rate compares to other recent flu strains.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

I'm curious as to how the present coronavirus death rate compares to other recent flu strains.

The WHO says that approximately 3,4% of the detected coronavirus cases died, but it's impossible to know how many cases remain undetected. In Lombardy more than 10% of the detected cases need intensive care. The hospitals are already saturated.

The new virus seems to affect much more people and much more younger people than the "normal" influenza strains.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The virus is comparatively new and there is way less reliable data about the mortality rate than there are about the flu, but the following seems to reasonable when taken all the various news, including the WHO's own data, into account:

1. The death rate is likely to be lower than the currently reported 3.4%, since this number ignores undetected infected. But lots of things are still unclear.
2. The death rate appears to be nevertheless considerably higher than the one of just a regular flu.
4. The disease is not contained and is likely so spread considerably over the next months. It's not quite as easy to catch as the common cold, but still easy enough not to be careless.
5. The numbers really change daily, if not hourly. What I say here may be completely different tomorrow.
6. Some cases are indeed very mild, with people barely noticing that they have it (symptoms on a level with a cold), while for others -- usually people with pre-existing conditions, weakened immune systems, elderly, an infection can prove fatal or near fatal. Several people are in critical conditions in hospitals.

There have been over 500 reported cases in Germany, roughly half of them in the area where I live. 16 people have recovered.

So far, the virus appears to be in clustered areas (I am in one of them), and they are trying to contain it, but it is still likely to spread.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

...while for others -- usually people with pre-existing conditions, weakened immune systems, elderly, an infection can prove fatal or near fatal.

An important distinction to make, but as you stated, information can change.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Two kids have just been identified as having coronavirus in a school near where my relatives live in greater Manchester. Kids from that school were in the same cubs group as my nephews aged 7 and 9, so now my concern has risen considerably.


Which school, Xebec? Given I am not far from your neighbourhood, I am a little concerned myself!


Garrett Hall, I believe. It's in Tyldesley, Wigan Borough.


Thank you.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't this being over hyped? Catching the Coronavirus can certainly be a life or death situation for a minority of the population and it would be tragic if they died from it. But the majority of the world population will get flu like symptoms and eventually get over it, right?

I have elderly parents so naturally I'm more concerned about them getting it.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

  • 800 people die annually from strangling themselves with their bed sheets while asleep in the U.S.

  • Around 300 people die each year in the U.S.A. from falling off ladders.

  • About 5,000 Americans die from choking on food each year.

  • About 900 Americans die each year from diseases associated with or related to constipation.

  • 30 to 50 people die from dog attacks in the U.S. each year.

  • About 800 to 900 people die each year in the U.S. from falling out of bed. and that number keeps going up about a hundred each year!

  • Each years about 12,000 Americans will die from the flu.



  • Total number of Americans who have died from the coronavirus so far: 12.



    Assuming you don't strangle yourself while asleep with your bed sheets, or fall out of bed dying, and don't die from a dog attack while jogging, you're more likely to die from the flu each year.

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     Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 9:11 AM   
     By:   solium   (Member)

    I think the real threat here is the spreading of the disease over the death count. Being old itself isn't a death sentence if you get the coronavirus. Other factors such as geneal health and low immune system come into play.

     
     Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 9:17 AM   
     By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

    That's how people die from the flu, spreading it. It's not like you go somewhere and ask to be injected with it.

     
     
     Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 9:20 AM   
     By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)


     
     
     Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 9:32 AM   
     By:   JC   (Member)

    I think the real threat here is the spreading of the disease over the death count. Being old itself isn't a death sentence if you get the coronavirus. Other factors such as geneal health and low immune system come into play.

    The virus doesn't only affect old people with pre-existing conditions. The "discoverer" of this virus, a 33 years old ophthalmologist from Wuhan died from the disease:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang

     
     Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 9:37 AM   
     By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

    And people who contracted it and got better, caught it again.

     
     Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 9:39 AM   
     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

    The virus doesn't only affect old people with pre-existing conditions. The "discoverer" of this virus, a 33 years old ophthalmologist from Wuhan died from the disease:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang


    It should be pointed out that one does not have to be elderly in order to have pre-existing health conditions.

    Going by the Wikipedia page you linked, is it possible that the late doctor was "admonished" to death?

     
     Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 9:43 AM   
     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



    The virus doesn't only affect old people with pre-existing conditions.


    That is true... in fact, neither does indeed the flu. However, so far you seem more likely to die from it if you are already weakened otherwise.

     
     Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 7:36 PM   
     By:   edwzoomom   (Member)



    I spent yesterday in the ER with my son who has an autoimmune disease, which has been a pretty regular occurrence in his young life thus far. On medication, his immune system is suppressed which is a constant threat to him. Off medication, his own immune system is a constant threat to him. That said, he has never let it hold him back, he never complains and lives life to the fullest. He is the bravest person I know.

    Has this virus rattled me? Yes it has. I have tried very hard to keep it from him. I am not a drama queen. I am a mom who has a son who may have to face another health crisis. I am weary for him. That said, all we can do is use our common sense and stay calm.

     
     
     Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 7:44 PM   
     By:   henry   (Member)

    Well now the first case in Minnesota has been confirmed.

     
     Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 11:28 PM   
     By:   BillCarson   (Member)

    Its a worry edw. Ive got a few pals who have had cancer treatment and because of low immune system are particularly vunerable to catching any colds n flu, and are restricting trips to central london to stay safer, even for treatment check ups.

    As time goes on, hopefully the accuracy of its severity will become clearer, and with luck we hope it will level off and normality will resume.

    Apart from plunging shares and indexes that affect pensions and suchlike, the biggest thing affecting us at the moment is mischievious and dense facebook sheep creating panic buying. 1 moron says "have you heard a shop in australia has run out of toilet roll" and this gets changed to australia has run out of bog roll. Which in turn gets changed to "ooh theres a world shortage of bog roll" ...which leads to... later that night, toilet roll shelves completely cleared in my local supermarket.
    And so a panic is created where there is no shortage, then there is a shortage because people buy up for fear of missing out!!

    For starters it seems sensible for supermarkets to restrict every customer to one of any item. Or put a sign up saying there is no shortage, no need to stockpile.

     
     Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 12:01 AM   
     By:   Josh   (Member)

    For starters it seems sensible for supermarkets to restrict every customer to one of any item. Or put a sign up saying there is no shortage, no need to stockpile.

    Forget it, Bill. It's capitalism.

     
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