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 Posted:   Oct 14, 2020 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


Fun fact: the OP for this topic, Jason LeBlanc, shares credit in the “Intrada Special Thanks” section of the liner notes.

Is there a story here, Jason?


I assisted Mike when he was assembling the score, lots of phone calls and emails back and forth about the best way to fit everything including all the alternates on two discs. If you watched/listened to the video above of Mike chatting with Tim and Maurizio about assembly and how at one point "Attacking The Car" was not in the main program that was an idea we both had at about the same time as an assembly option.

What's funny is I kind of think the score DOES work better without the Attacking the Car cue, as omitting creates a longer buildup after The Intersection Scene until everything finally goes to hell in The Ferry Scene. But there were other concerns like there being 5 different versions of the Boston reunion and not wanting to present too many back to back in any spot so it ended up back in the main program, and of course it's never hard to complain about a score being complete and chronological, and all on one disc.

Anwyays I also helped looked over official spreadsheets that have to be filed with these things, and many months later I proofread the booklet before it went off to the presses

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2020 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

And of course, that's Jay's hand gripping the planet Earth on the cover art.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2020 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Added to my listening experience: There were some scratches on DISC 1 along the edge, affecting the playback of track 23- Boston Street Finale, but seemed to have no effect on track 24- Closing Montage, and track 25- Epilogue (Film Version). A bit disappointing, as there seems to be no way to fix it.

Got mine today and sadly I seem to have the same issue. Scratch on the outside part of Disc 1 which my CD player/burner won't play or read to rip into iTunes... sent an email to Intrada. From what I have been able to listen to (earlier tracks seem ok) it's fabulous. The sound quality is amazing. totally worth it!

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2020 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

Added to my listening experience: There were some scratches on DISC 1 along the edge, affecting the playback of track 23- Boston Street Finale, but seemed to have no effect on track 24- Closing Montage, and track 25- Epilogue (Film Version). A bit disappointing, as there seems to be no way to fix it.

Got mine today and sadly I seem to have the same issue. Scratch on the outside part of Disc 1 which my CD player/burner won't play or read to rip into iTunes... sent an email to Intrada. From what I have been able to listen to (earlier tracks seem ok) it's fabulous. The sound quality is amazing. totally worth it!


Same experience. And I had a similar experience with the latest pressing of the Rocketeer. I wonder if it's a pressing plant issue.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2020 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

I played disc 1 yesterday and it was fine. checked both discs and see no scratches. will check out disc 2 tomorrow.

I guess I lucked out.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2020 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Intrada's customer service is impeccable. No sooner did I send off an email with the details (I also included photos) did they respond and had already shipped a replacement. Gotta say, incredibly impressed.

The tracks that I have listened to are flipping fantastic. What a terrific job Intrada! I was on the fence about getting this before it was released but I'm very happy I did. Wonderful presentation.

Kudos!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

There were a couple of light scratches (the worst ones near the inner edge, plus one by the outer edge) on my Disc 1 of THE ROCKETEER, which I ordered recently.
Fortunately, the disc played fine in all the players I tested it in, so I didn't have to bother Intrada about it.
But if there are some on WOTW too, maybe it is a pressing plant issue?
But yeah, their first class (after) service will fix any issues.
I can only remember faulty disc problems with EAST OF EDEN (Lee Holdridge), MALONE (David Newman) and STAR TREK 6 THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY (Cliff Eidelman), all of which were replaced with corrected copies by the good folks of Intrada.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   John Chambers   (Member)

Added to my listening experience: There were some scratches on DISC 1 along the edge, affecting the playback of track 23- Boston Street Finale, but seemed to have no effect on track 24- Closing Montage, and track 25- Epilogue (Film Version). A bit disappointing, as there seems to be no way to fix it.

Got mine today and sadly I seem to have the same issue. Scratch on the outside part of Disc 1 which my CD player/burner won't play or read to rip into iTunes... sent an email to Intrada. From what I have been able to listen to (earlier tracks seem ok) it's fabulous. The sound quality is amazing. totally worth it!


I had the same issue unfortunately and have contacted Intrada for a replacement, definitely seems like a manufacturing issue. My copy had been sitting unopened since it arrived in Monday (I ordered 5 cds and was saving this one for last) so if anyone hasn't checked their copy yet I would recommend they open it and take a look. Many thanks for the heads up David.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

It is now inevitable that whatever the problem causing identical damage to the CDs is, it will be traced all the way back to the source.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Added to my listening experience: There were some scratches on DISC 1 along the edge, affecting the playback of track 23- Boston Street Finale, but seemed to have no effect on track 24- Closing Montage, and track 25- Epilogue (Film Version). A bit disappointing, as there seems to be no way to fix it.

Got mine today and sadly I seem to have the same issue. Scratch on the outside part of Disc 1 which my CD player/burner won't play or read to rip into iTunes... sent an email to Intrada. From what I have been able to listen to (earlier tracks seem ok) it's fabulous. The sound quality is amazing. totally worth it!


I had the same issue unfortunately and have contacted Intrada for a replacement, definitely seems like a manufacturing issue. My copy had been sitting unopened since it arrived in Monday (I ordered 5 cds and was saving this one for last) so if anyone hasn't checked their copy yet I would recommend they open it and take a look. Many thanks for the heads up David.


You are welcome but someone earlier had the same issue as well. I think Intrada has done an excellent job in responding to these issues in amazingly quick time. Kudos to them and their team. Very impressive.

I know I sound like a broken record but this release is just flat out amazing. The sound quality is such a huge improvement over the original release... I'm ecstatic with the quality. Looking forward to being able to play those last couple tracks when the replacement disc arrives. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)



I know I sound like a broken record but this release is just flat out amazing. The sound quality is such a huge improvement over the original release... I'm ecstatic with the quality. Looking forward to being able to play those last couple tracks when the replacement disc arrives. smile


That's no exaggeration. The sound quality is absolutely phenomenal. This release has been one of the biggest surprises for me in a long time. I almost didn't order the album as I remember being underwhelmed by both the film and the score when they first came out. Whether it's the benefit of the improved sound quality, album sequencing or simply approaching the score with fresh ears, it's absolutely spectacular. This is an uncompromising score that takes the best bits of Revenge of the Sith and merges it with the dissonance of Close Encounters. This album's immediately moved the score into one of the top five for Williams in the past 20 years or so.

Unequivocally recommended. Thanks to all involved with this.

Chris

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)



I know I sound like a broken record but this release is just flat out amazing. The sound quality is such a huge improvement over the original release... I'm ecstatic with the quality. Looking forward to being able to play those last couple tracks when the replacement disc arrives. smile


That's no exaggeration. The sound quality is absolutely phenomenal. This release has been one of the biggest surprises for me in a long time. I almost didn't order the album as I remember being underwhelmed by both the film and the score when they first came out. Whether it's the benefit of the improved sound quality, album sequencing or simply approaching the score with fresh ears, it's absolutely spectacular. This is an uncompromising score that takes the best bits of Revenge of the Sith and merges it with the dissonance of Close Encounters. This album's immediately moved the score into one of the top five for Williams in the past 20 years or so.

Unequivocally recommended. Thanks to all involved with this.

Chris


Truer words were never spoken.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

double post

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

I never had to be won over by either the film or the score, I thought they were both masterpieces immediately in 2005, but I'll join in to praise this amazing release.

I agree, the score works much better with the narrative flow restored in film order.

Williams's ability to capture relentless menace and sickening dread, almost entirely without major melodies, yet without ever feeling monotonous, is breathtaking. The sounds he gets out of the orchestra in this score are like nothing I've heard.

Enormous thanks to Intrada for giving this fantastic but neglected score in Williams's filmography a second life!

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

James, I'm starting to wonder if you like the film WAR OF THE WORLDS and the music John Williams composed for it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2020 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Has anyone read the original novel? I read it once, but have listened to the Jeff Wayne musical a lot more. The "pounding from the pit," moved along relentlessly and worked it's way into the Intersection Scene when the first tripod raises itself out of the ground. That ostinato is noting less than a direct tribute.

There's a wooden-sided church which is cleaved apart when the circular motion of the unseen cylinder rotates underground. The clever 'quantum tunneling' between events in the novel that are translated to the screen with precision subtlety is what gets me - I personally equate this as a bridge with the parson, who had to be omitted from the film's storyline which had to go its own way due to its bedding in modernity. So lots of apologies to the original storyline were injected here and there, the funniest being Ray's name - surely one of the most outstandingly glaring overlapping jokes to have materialised in film lore!

If anything, there were too many references to terrorism - the PAN AM 103 one was glaringly obvious. How that people carrier was still in one piece after so much debris wiped out the house has always been a problem for me.

I also think there's a reference to Deja Vu, where the destruction of the ferry has to rank as one of the most horrifyingly brilliant explosion sequences ever in film history. Looks like Spielberg found a way to compete with that and also substitute the Thunderchild event from the novel. The list goes on and on . . .

Edit: it seems Deja Vu was actually after War Of The Worlds so my deja vu got a bit mixed up. Spieldberg's ferry seems to have turned first! eek

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

What can I say. It's already here. Things to do as droids go by.

Edit:

The digital input from the original score release from 15 years ago was used again for this production. Does this mean that the original session tapes would not necessarily have sounded better if dusted off and used to compile new input for this latest Intrada release? The point is, could a pristine image from the original tapes have sounded better still, because the inevitable thought that springs eternal is that this looks like it might possibly be the very last chance for the original session tapes to shine for the update. Is it conceivable those tapes might be pulled off the shelf to create some version further down the line? If the digital transfers from around 2005 don't require an update, what does that say about the current technology as compared to the tech used back then? It's like, no it's not worth the cumulative effort to work the original tapes anymore because the limit of A to D has been reached and if you were to go through all that trouble, the result would be marginal at best?

I've mulled over this idea of there being a point beyond which the analog tapes are no longer of any use a few times before hereabouts. Has that point been reached for the source to the John Williams score for Steven Spielberg's production of War Of The Worlds? If so, what is the value of the first generation source tapes? It's kind of a relevant idea, especially when British Airways won't ever again be flying the iconic Boeing 747. The idea of the definitive end of the road for something that you thought would always be around is what I'm basically getting at here.

By the way, is anyone having to "resend" their login request lately because it appears I'm being vetted by some external process that has only recently tagged itself to my online roaming?

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

I played disc 1 yesterday and it was fine. checked both discs and see no scratches. will check out disc 2 tomorrow.

I guess I lucked out.


listened to disc 2 and no problemo

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 7:20 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

What can I say. It's already here. Things to do as droids go by.

Edit:

The digital input from the original score release from 15 years ago was used again for this production. Does this mean that the original session tapes would not necessarily have sounded better if dusted off and used to compile new input for this latest Intrada release? The point is, could a pristine image from the original tapes have sounded better still, because the inevitable thought that springs eternal is that this looks like it might possibly be the very last chance for the original session tapes to shine for the update. Is it conceivable those tapes might be pulled off the shelf to create some version further down the line? If the digital transfers from around 2005 don't require an update, what does that say about the current technology as compared to the tech used back then? It's like, no it's not worth the cumulative effort to work the original tapes anymore because the limit of A to D has been reached and if you were to go through all that trouble, the result would be marginal at best?

I've mulled over this idea of there being a point beyond which the analog tapes are no longer of any use a few times before hereabouts. Has that point been reached for the source to the John Williams score for Steven Spielberg's production of War Of The Worlds? If so, what is the value of the first generation source tapes? It's kind of a relevant idea, especially when British Airways won't ever again be flying the iconic Boeing 747. The idea of the definitive end of the road for something that you thought would always be around is what I'm basically getting at here.

By the way, is anyone having to "resend" their login request lately because it appears I'm being vetted by some external process that has only recently tagged itself to my online roaming?


Mainly because we had unedited 5.1 mix downs of the separate elements to work with, and all in 96k 24bit wav format, there would not have been any quality improvement if analog tapes had been transferred, which did not have mix downs on them anyway. Not to mention that Intrada would have had to pay for those transfers, which was a cost totally eliminated by Paramount simply giving me data that they had migrated.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 7:38 PM   
 By:   richsto   (Member)

Thanks for this insight Mike. I will say this new set sounds spectacular on my two channel rig at home - and I’m ultra critical. Still more listening to do, especially once I have the house to myself. This should sound even better played loud. Great work!!!

Amazing to think I almost passed on this one; it’s like a whole new soundtrack. Simply stunning achievement. smile

 
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