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Jan 11, 2015 - 2:13 AM
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JamesFitz
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Thor wrote:
I don't mean to piss on your campaign, James (all the best of luck to you!), but THIS you want 'kickstarted' -- despite it having numerous soundtrack versions already -- while my suggestion of recording Williams' STORY OF A WOMAN/STORIA DI UNA DONNA -- a superior score that has never seen the light of day, nor will it ever -- was completely uninteresting to you?
Let's actually look at Thor's points here.
1) "... numerous soundtrack versions already ..."
Not sure what you mean here. Although Moonraker has been released several times, there's never been, as far as I'm aware, any change to the content. Indeed, one of the arguments used in support of this project is that this score did NOT get an expanded release while several other Bond scores did.
2) "... Williams' STORY OF A WOMAN/STORIA DI UNA DONNA ..."
How many people have heard OF this, let alone actually heard it? And this is precisely the question that James Fitz has to ask for every project he considers. Moonraker is a well-known and popular score, and he can judge the demand for a re-recording from, among other things, the persistent requests on this forum. Story of a Woman, on the other hand, is William's only foreign film, and is the ONLY feature film scored him not to have its own page on the English-language version of Wikipedia.
3) "... completely uninteresting to you ..."
James Fitz is in business. That means that what he does is not necessarily what he WANTS to do. Rather, it's what he can AFFORD to do. He's clearly concluded that there's enough demand for an expanded Moonraker. Given that he hasn't announced Story of a Woman, I can only presume that he doesn't think there's enough demand for it.
It does NOT mean that he doesn't want to do it. It just means that he doesn't think he can afford to do it.
Basically I can't really afford to do any recordings if I wanted to live a calm and relatively comfortable and peaceful life....but being stupidly passionate about music in general and film music in particular, I have devoted 30 years of my life to the restoration of film scores like RAISE THE TITANIC, THE LION IN WINTER, THE BIG COUNTRY, EL CID, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, TRUE GRIT, OBSESSION, GUNS OF NAVARONE. It is not just about the recordings themselves (which seldom make a profit) but about preserving the music scores that had been lost or thrown away in the course of time.
Why I do this....don't ask me...especially as last year I suffered a full-blown mental breakdown , something I believed only happened to other people...I couldn't do any work for months on end. But now, thanks to the "happy pills" I am back with a vengeance and upon entering my 60th year I want to leave with something of a "bang! And if enough John Barry fans want me to record MOONRAKER ...then why not?
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I really want this, so - a big thank you for your initiative!
You should tap into the Bond fandom, Sir, if you don´t have already, and contact all the fan-sites around. There are lots of people who would love a whole MOONRAKER.
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2) "... Williams' STORY OF A WOMAN/STORIA DI UNA DONNA ..."
How many people have heard OF this, let alone actually heard it? And this is precisely the question that James Fitz has to ask for every project he considers. Moonraker is a well-known and popular score, and he can judge the demand for a re-recording from, among other things, the persistent requests on this forum. Story of a Woman, on the other hand, is William's only foreign film, and is the ONLY feature film scored him not to have its own page on the English-language version of Wikipedia.
Story of a Woman is not a foreign film.
It's a foreign co-production with USA, and its language is in English.
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Jan 11, 2015 - 3:11 AM
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Thor
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This is pretty amazing. I certainly didn't expect the Spanish inquisition!
To David's post:
1) "... numerous soundtrack versions already ..."
Not sure what you mean here. Although Moonraker has been released several times, there's never been, as far as I'm aware, any change to the content. Indeed, one of the arguments used in support of this project is that this score did NOT get an expanded release while several other Bond scores did.
Fair enough. But it still has a soundtrack release. There are many scores that don't.
How many people have heard OF this, let alone actually heard it? And this is precisely the question that James Fitz has to ask for every project he considers. Moonraker is a well-known and popular score, and he can judge the demand for a re-recording from, among other things, the persistent requests on this forum. Story of a Woman, on the other hand, is William's only foreign film, and is the ONLY feature film scored him not to have its own page on the English-language version of Wikipedia.
So?
The fact that it is a John Williams score, and a gorgeous one that is a perfect companion piece to JANE EYRE, should be enough in itself. Whether or not the film is obscure is less important in this case. For a sample of what it sounds like, check out this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjI4xKftKzs
So I think this makes perfect business sense as well as artistic AND historical sense.
Even if my GALL to ask a question about James' project apparently caused a wild outrage here, making people lash out personal insults in classic FSM style, I still managed to get some attention towards Williams' underrated score. That's a nice secondary goal.
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To Mike J,
You asked a reasonable question but the problem with answering it is you're asking people to rationally justify love for something. It doesn't work that way. Your inability to understand why I like John Barry's music is equal to my inability to understand why you do not.
What kind of an answer could anyone give? My rationale would be no more of a real rationale than yours. You'd be no more convinced of mine than I'd be of yours.
Sometimes I think people just have to shrug shoulders at their inability to share the same feelings about something and this is probably one of those times.
I will make you a promise though: when something is proposed that you like, I won't condescend on everyone who's pleased, insult them and act like the superior arbiter of what people should like.
Stephen, I totally understand what you're saying but perhaps I didn't make my point very clearly.
What im interested in is whether Barry fans sincerely rate Moonraker as being a great score and whether there is genuinely a huge demand for it or whether it is just because the versions released thus far are incomplete or whatever.
As I've made clear, I am no Barry fan but I can appreciate some of his work - but compared to other Bond scores he did, Moonraker to me seems a very pedestrian score and I was just trying to ascertain if there is real interest in this score specifically or if it just falls into the category of "any new release has to be better than no new release".
As to your final paragraph , if that is directed at me, I'm not sure I (or anyone else here) has tried to dictate what people should or should not like but that reaction does seem to be a bit over-emotional.
Mike,
Perhaps my final paragraph was indeed overly reactive. I'm all for balanced conversation and actually I do sympathize a lot with Thor's frustration that there's a score he holds dear which seems to be perpetually ignored while something less worthy in his eyes seems to keep getting new treatment. I get that. I've been there. And of course everyone should feel the freedom and space to express that frustration.
It just might be more social to express it as frustration rather than seeming to attack good news.
On your views on the Boat chase cue, I guess my take is a little different—it was not a 'serious' action or chase scene and it would have been a mistake to treat it as such. Rightly or wrongly, MOONRAKER was made more like a fun film for all the family: a film for the after Sunday lunch slot with grannies laughing alongside the kiddies while the daddies sleep their roast beef off. The lightness of it was duff, but that's what it was it had to be scored "lightly". IMO. Therefore, I think JB "read" the scene correctly even though, you're right, if it was presented as serious action music, it would be flabby.
Cheers
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Posted: |
Jan 11, 2015 - 3:27 AM
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JamesFitz
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£25,000 is actually considerably less than I'd have expected the full cost to re-record an entire film score would be. Surely, this amount is provisional in some way?
The experiment seems to be about subsidising the costs of the project via the end-users.
Less 5% KS fees ...
It seems too small an amount to me, too, but presumably the financial projections take future sales into account - albeit a large proportion of the prospective customer base will be the proud owners of the CD upon release! 
Having spent some of my formative business years studying (or, at any rate: looking at) the rules governing public share offers and issues, etc. I do wonder what distinguishes this KS model from said share issues. As you can tell, KS is completely new to me.
Mitch
£25,000 is the basic recording cost...it does not cover music preparation, editing, mixing, mastering, production etc.... all of which will be paid for by Tadlow Music
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£6121 in 24 hours. A great start but still a long way to go.
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Folks I feel perhaps the two groups in this thread have perhaps got off the wrong foot and got a little reactive with each other. I can see I over reacted a little. Perhaps I felt defensive out of insecurity. We can debate whose fault the rub-up was and why but what might be most constructive at this point is for us all to take a step back, take a breathe and see the better side of each other.
I'm sure Thor and Mike J mean the project well and they've said so, they've both just expressed some frustration or puzzlement about why this score over others. I can understand this because I can see other titles where I might have felt the same.
How about we agree to live and let live and be united in hoping good things come of this. And let's hope the soundtrack Gods bring us all something to cheer this year. It looks like we Barry fans will do okay.
Cheers
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Jan 11, 2015 - 6:27 AM
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Tadlow
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Thor wrote:
Basically I can't really afford to do any recordings if I wanted to live a calm and relatively comfortable and peaceful life....but being stupidly passionate about music in general and film music in particular, I have devoted 30 years of my life to the restoration of film scores like RAISE THE TITANIC, THE LION IN WINTER, THE BIG COUNTRY, EL CID, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, TRUE GRIT, OBSESSION, GUNS OF NAVARONE. It is not just about the recordings themselves (which seldom make a profit) but about preserving the music scores that had been lost or thrown away in the course of time.
Why I do this....don't ask me...especially as last year I suffered a full-blown mental breakdown , something I believed only happened to other people...I couldn't do any work for months on end. But now, thanks to the "happy pills" I am back with a vengeance and upon entering my 60th year I want to leave with something of a "bang! And if enough John Barry fans want me to record MOONRAKER ...then why not?
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