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[Me: grabs pitchfork, joins mob]
Your comment made me laugh....
I actually don't think the score is racist. I don't disagree with the article outright; it makes some valid points and serves, I think, as more of a conversation-starter than anything. I've enjoyed John Williams' Star Wars scores my entire life. Ditto the movies, to varying degree. So I enjoyed being presented with another way to consider them.
Full Disclosure: I also prefer Jerry Goldsmith to John Williams. So, you know ... clearly I'm operating here with an agenda lol.
I'm just delighted that I've found a new way to annoy John Williams fans!
why? this website is supposed to be a positive force for film music. John Williams is a part of that as is Jerry and all.
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I read Chen's article. He's right that Hollywood should be getting other composers' sounds into its product. It'll only be good business, since movies, TV and all that streaming content don't really stay confined to national borders anymore.
As for the "cultural critique of the cultural critique", did you not expect the retrograde mentalities, trolls and redbaiters to jump on this? This stuff is Playboy magazine for the id to those fellow internet dwellers.
One only need log in and start typing for the masturbatory effects to take hold. Attempting to jack with the jackers only makes you a jackoff.
Let them enjoy their pudding, rancid as it is.
100% agree.
It is fun seeing the various reactions though!
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why? this website is supposed to be a positive force for film music. John Williams is a part of that as is Jerry and all.
Did you just say "force" as in "The Force?" What a racist thing to say!
John Williams is on his way to joining Jimmy Buffet, the Grateful Dead, and Frank Zappa, who collectively comprise the Holy Triumvirate of artists with the most annoying fan bases.
You know what I wrote. I just don't understand you guys. what is the big deal.
I am not racist, I hate everyone regardless of race, creed, color and sexual orientation. and starting to really despise filmscoremonthly.com. so I guess I out of here.
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why? this website is supposed to be a positive force for film music. John Williams is a part of that as is Jerry and all.
Did you just say "force" as in "The Force?" What a racist thing to say!
John Williams is on his way to joining Jimmy Buffet, the Grateful Dead, and Frank Zappa, who collectively comprise the Holy Triumvirate of artists with the most annoying fan bases.
You know what I wrote. I just don't understand you guys. what is the big deal.
I am not racist, I hate everyone regardless of race, creed, color and sexual orientation. and starting to really despise filmscoremonthly.com. so I guess I out of here.
Don't do that. That's what he wants, he wants to rile you up with his statements. Guess he has nothing better to do, the poor sod.
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why? this website is supposed to be a positive force for film music. John Williams is a part of that as is Jerry and all.
Did you just say "force" as in "The Force?" What a racist thing to say!
John Williams is on his way to joining Jimmy Buffet, the Grateful Dead, and Frank Zappa, who collectively comprise the Holy Triumvirate of artists with the most annoying fan bases.
You know what I wrote. I just don't understand you guys. what is the big deal.
I am not racist, I hate everyone regardless of race, creed, color and sexual orientation. and starting to really despise filmscoremonthly.com. so I guess I out of here.
Don't do that. That's what he wants, he wants to rile you up with his statements. Guess he has nothing better to do, the poor sod.
Agreed. Don't let people who confuse political ideology with fact impose their narrowly held views on the rest of us.
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Brilliant.
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I hope Liam Neeson isn't a fan of the John Williams STAR WARS soundtracks!!
I get the joke.
Anyone else?
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I'm just delighted that I've found a new way to annoy John Williams fans!
Why?
Not proud. Just extremely amused!
Onya, sometimes you irritate the heck out of me, other times I actually enjoy your contributions and find them valuable.
Overall, though, I find the contents of your posts the very definition of the word supercilious.
It's good to know that you have found new ways to sneer and laugh at John Williams fans. It's quite a list that you look down upon:
Andre Previn
Bernard Herrmann
Alex North
Jerry Goldsmith
Leonard Bernstein
Henry Mancini
Yo Yo Ma
Barack Obama
Itzhak Perlman
Leonard Slatkin
Gustavo Dudamel
Mike Mattesino
Zubin Mehta
Anna Sophie Mutter
Me
All verified "John Williams Fans." I could go on, but you get the idea.
With love,
John
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Obama?
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why? this website is supposed to be a positive force for film music. John Williams is a part of that as is Jerry and all.
Did you just say "force" as in "The Force?" What a racist thing to say!
John Williams is on his way to joining Jimmy Buffet, the Grateful Dead, and Frank Zappa, who collectively comprise the Holy Triumvirate of artists with the most annoying fan bases.
Yeah. Deaheads and Zapplez are a pain in da butt!
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Jan 10, 2020 - 9:35 AM
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Thgil
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The author of that article is being a bit too literal in my opinion. Regarding Williams' music, this boils down to quite a simple issue: Familiarity at a glance.
Western orchestration and musical techniques are used not only for the "good guys" but for anything that's not terribly otherworldly. Why? Because we're familiar with it. Eastern techniques are used for "exotic" locales in order to give us something that stands out as unique and not necessarily something you hear on a daily basis. These movies are made in the West, so it's a calculated move to try and instantly create a musical shorthand with the audience. Music is just mathematically-organized noise after all. The score is there to give an instant impression and these impressions are going to be biased based on the region of their creation.
As far as Sanskrit is concerned, it certainly sounds better than the poem's original Gaelic and, when you listen to "Duel of the Fates" it's quite a Western piece that just happens to utilize an Eastern language. Maybe he should have chosen Latin or German?
I wholeheartedly agree that we need more diversity in film scores (and every aspect of film) though. Finding out that Black Panther had a white composer was unexpected to say the least. We're living in a painfully reactionary time right now. Criticisms are being leveled at all the wrong people for the right reasons. Is the throat singing for Snoke a conscious attempt to paint a culture as evil? In my opinion, it's merely a type of vocalization that, when used in this context, evokes something not at all related to the culture that created it.
At the end of the day, I'm a white male living in the United States; e.g. the most privileged type of human walking the face of the earth today. I'll never know what it is to be anything else, but I can try to understand. I think that we all need to take a step back, breathe, and realize that Star Wars is popcorn cinema and not over think it. (Though the prequels were pretty racist at times. Even as a kid I saw that.)
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