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 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

The Summer of 1990 is now complete!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

Conflicted about Dreamcatcher. Definitely interested in it but buying it separately would mean it would be kinda pointless to get the Stephen King box one day. Still interested in that box if it weren't for that high price and customs fee...

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Before calling it a shame, Lokutus, are you even sure that there was more music with which to expand the original 1991 album?


Sure there is. The album covers something like 60 % of the score only.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I snagged Robocop 2 and Raggedy Man.

If its still around next payday, I might grab Dreamcatcher too.

Good batch!

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Sure there is. The album covers something like 60 % of the score only.

Based on what? The leaked sessions unmentionable? I don't have a copy of that, but have you actually matched it to the original album to see about unreleased music? Because it's entirely possible that the extra runtime of that is just a result of multiple takes and such being included from the sessions.

Again, Roger Feigelson of Intrada watched the film a few years back to find out if there were any unreleased cues. He found not a single one. If you have evidence of actual unused cues or alternates that wouldn't have been in the film for him to find, please present it. Otherwise I'm not going to fault Varese for Encoring this. smile

BTW, did everyone notice that Dreamcatcher DE is only $19.98 list price? That seems like an unusually great price for a two disc set from Varese (which they were able to do perhaps because it was already released in the box set?)

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

Looking forward to RoboCop 2, which was way overdue for an expansion, imo. Hopefully it doesn't sell out before I'm able to order it, which will probably be next month. 1500 units seems too low for this. Kind of odd that RoboCop 3 gets 2000 units but RoboCop 2 gets 1500.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Have had RAGGEDY MAN for many years. Looking at all three titles , the word is... underwhelmed. Hopefully, if there will be club releases in the future , we will see other genres represented besides sci-fi and horror. Older scores that are premiere releases on CD are what interest me.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

Sure there is. The album covers something like 60 % of the score only.

Based on what? The leaked sessions unmentionable? I don't have a copy of that, but have you actually matched it to the original album to see about unreleased music? Because it's entirely possible that the extra runtime of that is just a result of multiple takes and such being included from the sessions.

Again, Roger Feigelson of Intrada watched the film a few years back to find out if there were any unreleased cues. He found not a single one. If you have evidence of actual unused cues or alternates that wouldn't have been in the film for him to find, please present it. Otherwise I'm not going to fault Varese for Encoring this. smile

BTW, did everyone notice that Dreamcatcher DE is only $19.98 list price? That seems like an unusually great price for a two disc set from Varese (which they were able to do perhaps because it was already released in the box set?)

Yavar


I seem to recall one very brief segment (like 10 seconds) awkwardly edited into another piece in the score. That segment wasn't released. But that was it. I wish I could find my original comments as it's getting hazy now. Like how you feel when someone shoves gauze in your mouth, then secures it with duct tape. Then your hands get tied to the back of a chair and someone repeatedly strikes you in the head to get you to talk, but try as you might you can't tell them you can't talk with all that gauze in your mouth. Yeah. Just like that.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'm so hoping that the "Rooobbbooocop!" chorus was recorded separately, so a re-issue of the deluxe edition can have the orchestral-only pieces.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

Conflicted about Dreamcatcher.

This is a fantastic score by JNH. If you like any of his stuff, it is a must to own.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I seem to recall one very brief segment (like 10 seconds) awkwardly edited into another piece in the score. That segment wasn't released. But that was it. I wish I could find my original comments as it's getting hazy now. Like how you feel when someone shoves gauze in your mouth, then secures it with duct tape. Then your hands get tied to the back of a chair and someone repeatedly strikes you in the head to get you to talk, but try as you might you can't tell them you can't talk with all that gauze in your mouth. Yeah. Just like that.

LOL.

While I did end up buying the LLL Magic release (when it went on sale for $5 off) to get the sole unreleased 23 second cue, I don't know if I can get up in arms that Varese left off an awkward 10 second insert alternate from this Encore Edition. Again Lokutus, if you can say for a fact that the longer sessions contained unique cues not released by Varese, then let us know. Otherwise I think an Encore made sense.

Roger, I'm curious...when you investigated this score years ago, did you see whether Varese held perpetuity rights to the title?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

RAGGEDY MAN is the only one for me - and at this price, on its own, it should get through HMRC untouched....

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Sure there is. The album covers something like 60 % of the score only.

Based on what? The leaked sessions unmentionable? I don't have a copy of that, but have you actually matched it to the original album to see about unreleased music? Because it's entirely possible that the extra runtime of that is just a result of multiple takes and such being included from the sessions.

Again, Roger Feigelson of Intrada watched the film a few years back to find out if there were any unreleased cues. He found not a single one. If you have evidence of actual unused cues or alternates that wouldn't have been in the film for him to find, please present it. Otherwise I'm not going to fault Varese for Encoring this. smile

BTW, did everyone notice that Dreamcatcher DE is only $19.98 list price? That seems like an unusually great price for a two disc set from Varese (which they were able to do perhaps because it was already released in the box set?)

Yavar


I seem to recall one very brief segment (like 10 seconds) awkwardly edited into another piece in the score. That segment wasn't released. But that was it. I wish I could find my original comments as it's getting hazy now. Like how you feel when someone shoves gauze in your mouth, then secures it with duct tape. Then your hands get tied to the back of a chair and someone repeatedly strikes you in the head to get you to talk, but try as you might you can't tell them you can't talk with all that gauze in your mouth. Yeah. Just like that.

Someone been watching THE SALAMANDER too much??
Is Intrada releasing newly discovered tapes huh huh???
;-)

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Looking forward to RoboCop 2, which was way overdue for an expansion, imo. Hopefully it doesn't sell out before I'm able to order it, which will probably be next month. 1500 units seems too low for this. Kind of odd that RoboCop 3 gets 2000 units but RoboCop 2 gets 1500.

Not when you consider how much better Basil Poledouris tends to sell compared with Leonard Rosenman. Plenty of label insiders have commented over the years that Rosenman is one of the worst-selling well known film composers. Frankly I'm surprised that the quantities for Robocop 2 DE and Raggedy Man Encore weren't reversed. I predict that Raggedy Man will sell out of its 1000 copies extremely quickly while Robocop 2 DE might hang around longer than Robocop 3 DE even though the latter was released much earlier. But we shall see...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

Conflicted about Dreamcatcher.

This is a fantastic score by JNH. If you like any of his stuff, it is a must to own.


I like a lot of JNH very much, but hard to rinse the memory of that awful film from one's mind!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Isaac The Red   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Thanks. I don't have the original, so I wouldn't know that.

I wonder, now, if he did takes without them, just incase it was not liked by the producers.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I don't mean to sound pedantic, but how many singers are required to form a choir? And as a follow-up question: do the singers on the Robocop 2 track constitute a choir?

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I wonder, now, if he did takes without them, just incase it was not liked by the producers.

From what I know about Rosenman, he didn't seem like the type to pussyfoot around like that.

I'm a big Rosenman fan, but "Robocop 2" is not one of my favorites. That choir is about as ridiculous a scoring technique as I have heard in my lifetime, an absurdly self-serious bit of nonsense that's unintentionally laugh-inducing. (I watched the film with a friend who literally laughed out loud when the choir came on.) That said, I can't resist revisiting the score with this new CD. Maybe I'll warm to it.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2019 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

As a separate listen from the movie, the soundtrack with choir is fine (which I prefer to the movie itself). Maybe I'm just used to it because the complete score has been floating around for a few years. And I really like his "Keeper of the City" which uses a choir (perhaps more appropriately given the content).

 
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