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 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   lostinscores   (Member)

Even if this physical book never comes out, if I ever have a question about a Jerry Goldsmith score or part of his career, I know that I'll be opening the Jeff Bond PDF rather than opening any of the physical Goldsmith books that exist.

Yavar


If you‘ve got it. Some of us never received it!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

Yeah, this is bad. Somehow they had this over the top successful kickstarter campaign and somehow turned it into a situation whereby even if something does arrive at our doorstep someday, it will still have been an absolutely terrible experience.

How far are we from legal action?

Has Jeff Bond said a word? Can he wrestle this book away from these people?

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

How far are we from legal action?

from Mark5760 earlier in this thread:

I know this project does not have a great deal of interest outside of us soundtrack fans, but I do intend to approach my state's attorney general soon. I hope a lawsuit may be commenced by a group of state attorney generals. This is absolute fraud for a project that was promised in 2022. This cabal needs to face the music that what they have perpetrated is illegal and that they will be required to answer a court of law.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I assume the publishers (in the event of a book ever being published) will disclose ALL the costings and figures behind where the near 200,000.00 DOLLAR$ have been spent?
Is that a prerequisit of a kick-starter campaign, or can it be abused to take the pi$$?

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Do we even know if Jeff Bond was ever compensated in this fiasco? He probably spent over a year of his life writing this book. I hope he got some of the money. At least he did something for it, quite a lot in fact, and his family needs food and shelter like the rest of us.

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Do we even know if Jeff Bond was ever compensated in this fiasco? He probably spent over a year of his life writing this book. I hope he got some of the money. At least he did something for it, quite a lot in fact, and his family needs food and shelter like the rest of us.

I don't even want to entertain the idea that Jeff got screwed out of monies he so deserves for this incredible work. I hope he knows everyone here holds him ZERO PERCENT responsible for this fiasco. Nothing but praise and respect for Bond and the incredible job he did on this comprehensive and definitive Goldsmith resource. I feel badly that all of the crap surrounding this will malign what should have been a joyous and celebrated achievement. frown

My extra spicey vitriole is a result of currently listening to Berg's Wozzeck. Seems a good music setting for this whole situation.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I think writers generally get an advance - at the very least - from the outset of a book deal.
It's impossible to know what the percentages would be, in regard to how the $180k was divided up amongst the beneficiary's, but if Bond hadn't seen ANY of the spondoolies thus far, I'm sure he'd be shouting the LOUDEST in this very thread (lol).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I think writers generally get an advance - at the very least - from the outset of a book deal.

Oh I hope so! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Maybe they'll let us know when the sun/fun(d$) run out and they have to return home cool

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

https://www.amazon.ca/Fantasy-Worlds-Irwin-Allen/dp/1835411363/ref=asc_df_1835411363/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=706830265160&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17927528239062931076&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9000269&hvtargid=pla-2294700027963&psc=1&mcid=5ea946ee7987341b91b48efe53ea98b1&gad_source=1

Why is there a problem with this book ? I have this awesome one also by Jeff Bond and they recently made another edition.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2025 - 11:13 PM   
 By:   IheartMelissaBenoist   (Member)

Well, Erica Enders appears to be a real person. Also, this project is on her website. Zero information, and old cover renderings, but it's there.

https://www.enderlinedesign.com/work

Not that this helps us get any closer to actually holding the books in our hands.

Also... So only the hardcover versions are at actual proof stage? And the paperback version proofs are not? Oh, goodie, more time to have to wait...

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2025 - 2:11 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

I think writers generally get an advance - at the very least - from the outset of a book deal.

Oh I hope so! smile



Generally, it’s rather an exception. It depends how established the writer is. In the case of Jeff, I’d say it’s conceivable he has been paid a fee upfront.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2025 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Andy_   (Member)

Well, Erica Enders appears to be a real person. Also, this project is on her website. Zero information, and old cover renderings, but it's there.

https://www.enderlinedesign.com/work


I wonder how long that’s been there, or if this person is still involved. You can see the binding lettering isn’t intended to spill onto the front covers though.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2025 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

To be clear, I was paid in advance for the book and I did receive a slice of the proceeds from the kickstarter, the only time I've ever gotten any money on the back end of a book deal, so I have no complaints about how I've been compensated. Erica Enders is the art director on the book and is still at work on it and being paid--the way Goldsmith's name is positioned on the spine is in the process of being corrected--that's why we get printer proofs. My understanding is that printing and distributing the books costs between $80-$90 grand in total. Kickstarter also takes a percentage but that's all I know about costs. I don't know about the status of the paperbacks but I have no reason to believe that those aren't also progressing. That's all the information I have at the moment but everything I've seen indicates the book is progressing toward the printing stage. I'm as eager to have the books in peoples' hands as you are.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2025 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

To be clear, I was paid in advance for the book and I did receive a slice of the proceeds from the kickstarter, the only time I've ever gotten any money on the back end of a book deal, so I have no complaints about how I've been compensated. Erica Enders is the art director on the book and is still at work on it and being paid--the way Goldsmith's name is positioned on the spine is in the process of being corrected--that's why we get printer proofs. My understanding is that printing and distributing the books costs between $80-$90 grand in total. Kickstarter also takes a percentage but that's all I know about costs. I don't know about the status of the paperbacks but I have no reason to believe that those aren't also progressing. That's all the information I have at the moment but everything I've seen indicates the book is progressing toward the printing stage. I'm as eager to have the books in peoples' hands as you are.


Hey, I'm glad to hear that. We know you have a family to support, and this project took up a lot of your labor. I was actually worried, no joke.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2025 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

My understanding is that printing and distributing the books costs between $80-$90 grand in total.

Hmmm..wasn't the Kickstarter goal $19.000?

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2025 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

My understanding is that printing and distributing the books costs between $80-$90 grand in total.

Hmmm..wasn't the Kickstarter goal $19.000?


I think it's obvious that it's a minimal goal. I mean, if many more people chip in, it also means many more copies need to be printed, so obviously, the higher the Kickstarter funding is, the higher the costs for producing the books. But yes, the books -- all of them for everyone -- could be printed for a fraction of what was actually taken in.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2025 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

If they're costing near $100k to print, is it safe to assume they will be full colour/glossy?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2025 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

…the way Goldsmith's name is positioned on the spine is in the process of being corrected…

I hope you all enjoy your RRY GOLDSMITH book.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2025 - 11:59 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

If they're costing near $100k to print, is it safe to assume they will be full colour/glossy?

Not as per the original plan but In all of this long delay debacle they should come around to at least do it in full color.

 
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