Indeed, although the girl's swinging doesn't appear to fully align with the music anymore.
Anyway, great job and again thanks for the effort!
Thanks. There were actually no cuts to this scene or the music. That’s actually how he scored that beat. At that moment there were sound effects of her struggling to hold on along with the sounds of guards shouting and horses getting closer. I had to drown those out to erase Tyler’s music (which also gets loud at that same point). So, he’s hi-lighting that moment. He’s scoring her fear of being seen/falling.
God, what was he thinking with that synth??? You take that away and do something normal and the score stays in. It's so clearly the problem with the score.
Here's the final scene plus the entire end credits. I was even able to stick Jerry's credit back in there too and I created a custom end title suite highlighting all the major themes trying to approximate what the music editor might have come up with at the time.
I think it's pretty obvious what Goldsmith was thinking with "that synth"--it's an electronic version of a serpent, a medieval instrument. So it's a quick way of reinforcing the idea that this is science fiction, and that technology has put these characters in a medieval world. It's not brilliant but it at least is an IDEA, something Goldsmith excelled at. Having said that, I do agree it was a jarring red flag that probably drove test audiences crazy. But I admire Goldsmith's sheer gall in employing it.
I think it's pretty obvious what Goldsmith was thinking with "that synth"--it's an electronic version of a serpent, a medieval instrument. So it's a quick way of reinforcing the idea that this is science fiction, and that technology has put these characters in a medieval world. It's not brilliant but it at least is an IDEA, something Goldsmith excelled at. Having said that, I do agree it was a jarring red flag that probably drove test audiences crazy. But I admire Goldsmith's sheer gall in employing it.
Agreed. At a time when almost everyone else was just piling on percussion without much creativity, at least Goldsmith was trying something different. Imagine if he hadn’t used that wacky ape horn in POTA...
It's pretty obvious that nothing was going to save this movie. Every time I look at a scene from it I'm stunned by how unconvincing it is. Crichton's books were successful because he put so much research and detail into them they always convinced you of their reality. Even something like Congo, you were so immersed in in that it's not until the very end when volcanos are exploding that you realize this is basically just an episode of Jonny Quest. The best movie adaptations of his work, like The Andromeda Strain and Jurassic Park, give you Crichton's sense of reality. The worst, like Congo and Timeline, utterly fail at this. Congo just went immediately into pulp by putting Bruce Campbell in the opening scene, and Timeline just seems to lie there without a single moment to convince the audience that any of this is really happening. You'd think the movie would be about the difference between medieval times as seen in the movies and what it would be like in reality, and the very first moment when the time travelers arrive in the past should have established that. Instead it's just people standing around in Hollywood medieval costumes.
The acting and dialogue is the most problematic for me.
Example:
Only after going back in time does their guide bother to explain how the markers work. And he actually says to the girl “don’t press it, cuz we haven’t found his dad yet”
Fantastic thread, Mutant. This is what makes me come back regularly to this board (even now that Schiffy's gone). We need a Timeline Complete Mutant version ! It is the kind of score Goldsmith was making in its later years, so yeah, kind of similar (I mean, that 4 note motif), but in fact so much better than what we have got since...
I remember that I discovered the movie through Mutant's first iteration of score restore a few years back and was really impressed by the final battle sequence, like - well this movie doesn't look that bad! Gerard Butler was way above the others in that movie.
I found an edit of the film on a Youtube account one time and asked the user if I could get a copy, because I thought it would work with different score attached to it:
Fantastic thread, Mutant. This is what makes me come back regularly to this board (even now that Schiffy's gone). We need a Timeline Complete Mutant version ! It is the kind of score Goldsmith was making in its later years, so yeah, kind of similar (I mean, that 4 note motif), but in fact so much better than what we have got since...
I remember that I discovered the movie through Mutant's first iteration of score restore a few years back and was really impressed by the final battle sequence, like - well this movie doesn't look that bad! Gerard Butler was way above the others in that movie.
I’m glad there’s an audience for this! I’ll be working on rebuilding that finale also.
I liked this music already, but doing these clips really made me fall in love with the entire score.
