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 Posted:   Jun 3, 2008 - 11:16 PM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

My last job when I was living in L.A. was as Security for WB Records Warehouse...If Universal doesn't have the same, they must really not care.Zoob

Judging by your account, Warners' reputation for outstanding DVDs (the only major studio to win awards usually given only to specialty outfits like Criterion), and my knowledge of the care and pride with which they handle their archive prints, I would say that you were working at the gold standard, Mr. Zoob.

Where most distributors would fax you a list of available prints (MAYbe), Warners sent a catalog that doubled as a coffee table book. Heck, they sent a representative to a local theater once! There was a lady in charge of their archive prints in 1998, still there by 2006. Longevity suggests pride and loyalty. Corporate cultures differ greatly, and Warner Brothers clearly cares a great deal about their stuff.

Not to necessarily defend Universal, but . . . you worked in Eden. Even the best place visited after must seem irresponsible by comparrison.

David

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2008 - 11:48 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Warners isn't perfect. They do great in DVD releases of classic movies, but their committment to classic TV is the worst of any studio, even worse than Fox (and it takes a lot to top them).

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2008 - 12:36 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I am only passing on another rumor that comes from a guy who posts at Home Theater Forum under the moniker "Hank Dearborn" but if what he says is true, then the worst fears I have had regarding the future of Universal's Classic TV archive in upcoming DVD releases is being borne out.

"I am talking to some of my inside sources and this is way worse than Universal is telling anyone. They are really spinning this big time. Anything that they had 2-inch masters on, those are gone forever. For instance, the show Don Adams Screen Test, gone. Any specials, such as the Herb Alpert one, that they had a 2-inch tape on, gone. As for filmed TV shows, all of the transferred videotape masters are gone. Yes, they still have the original film elements but considering their astronomical in-house costs, are they really going to bother with many of these shows? I doubt it. So companies that are relying on existing tapes for their releases like Shout, Timeless and Arts Alliance could be out of luck.

"As for the music that was lost, which is also being covered up, such things as The Carpenters unreleased recordings all burned up. Right now Universal is reporting it their way but as the artists start to find out about their recordings being destroyed you are going to hear it."

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2008 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

The L.A. Times article today reported that 5% of the UMG library was lost, mostly jazz and big band records on the Decca label.

Mike

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-universal4-2008jun04,0,5996006.story


 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2008 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Spideristic   (Member)

I was glad to see that the BTTF Clocktower and the Courthouse square were still standing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rjhendrix/2547069784/sizes/l/

http://www.bttf.com/index.php?/weblog/more/universal_answers_questions_regarding_fire_near_bttf_sets/

From the article:

"We were also concerned about about the film vault which was also destroyed in the fire, wondering whether any Back to the Future footage was among the other estimated 40,000 - 50,000 videos & reels damaged or destroyed, as we've heard off-the-record from friends in the industry that — despite early reports by NBC Universal President and Chief Operating Officer Ron Meyer on Sunday — this vault likely did contain some videos & reels which had no backup copies stored elsewhere.

Park was only able to tell us at this time that "They are still assessing what film footage was destroyed in the vault."

http://hijinksensue.com/2008/06/02/cant-stop-the-signal-fire/

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2008 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Good news- I thought that set was destroyed

Eric, while i am sad that ANY program has been lost, DON ADAMS SCREEN TEST is not going to cause me to shed any tears (and I am a big, big big, DA fan)

brm

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2008 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I have the pilot show for that series, and it is a riot though. Someone at the game show forum I'm with later chimed in and noted that UCLA has their own copies of it, so it isn't a lost show after all.

But regardless of how obscure it is, it's still important to make sure that all forms of TV programming are documented in a way to safeguard against these kinds of things.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2008 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I have the pilot show for that series, and it is a riot though. Someone at the game show forum I'm with later chimed in and noted that UCLA has their own copies of it, so it isn't a lost show after all.

But regardless of how obscure it is, it's still important to make sure that all forms of TV programming are documented in a way to safeguard against these kinds of things.


Maybe the pilot was a riot, but I remember that show as being a turkey.
Oh well.

I would give that compliment to THE PARTNERS a sadly neglected comic gem from Don Adams>

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2008 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I was glad to see that the BTTF Clocktower and the Courthouse square were still standing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rjhendrix/2547069784/sizes/l/


That's good to hear. Some reports seemed to suggest that the entire area burned to the ground, but it looks like a good majority of it remained relatively undamaged. I'm sure it'll be rebuilt in no time since it's a set currently in use.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2008 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   GMP   (Member)

Not to wax philosphically here, but perhaps this is Kharma. They sit on their treasure only to lose it....

Wow, just imagine what will be gone as soon as the big quake happens !!


Well, I'll be sitting here in Dallas, Texas planning on my next coastal vacation to Arizona. Seems like only yesterday I lived there. It'll be nice to go back and see the sea...



Much is stored Outside California in the midwest and underground (in case of Tornatos) The studios don't leave all their eggs in one basket

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

The NY Times has revisited this disaster and confirmed that losses were significant, despite public statements made a decade ago saying otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/magazine/universal-fire-master-recordings.html

Later parts of the article speak to other master losses in history, both accidental and deliberate. Poor inventory records is a common theme.

Summary article https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/us/master-recordings-universal-fire.html

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Wow. Thanks for that!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

This is a massive investigative report, available now online and set to appear in Sunday's NY Times Magazine (June 16). The focus is on pop and jazz, as usual. There's not much here on the tiny slice of the music business that we call film music. But you will find plenty about preservation practice -- and malpractice -- in the industry. Fascinating.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

They still have not confirmed the extent of the video and FILM losses. But those Decca masters. Lord. And so much of what is now being distributed are copies of those horrendous Simulated Stereo releases.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

The NY Times has revisited this disaster and confirmed that losses were significant, despite public statements made a decade ago saying otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/magazine/universal-fire-master-recordings.html

Later parts of the article speak to other master losses in history, both accidental and deliberate. Poor inventory records is a common theme.



Thanks so much for that link. It's a shocking story and, sadly, not surprising.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I had a feeling they were downplaying it at the time. Thanks for posting the article.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

Thankfully no Universal Studios film scoring elements were in that building but it did affect MCA Records masters and in particular re-recordings would have been compromised. That's why we got 1/4" tapes from the U.K. for Jaws, E.T., Dracula and Monsignor.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Mike, that's a sight of relief.

But I still feel awful about the rest of the lost material.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I had a feeling they were downplaying it at the time. Thanks for posting the article.

Shades of the USSR

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Mike, that's a sight of relief.

But I still feel awful about the rest of the lost material.



1/4' tapes are hardly the optimum sources for these (or any) recordings.

 
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