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 Posted:   Jul 3, 2020 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Goldsmith must have gotten a number of checks since his "Jonah" music was used to close off the episodes a LOT.

Indeed. The unofficial sign-off. (which btw works amazingly well. You'd bet it was written expressly for that purpose).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2020 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

Goldsmith must have gotten a number of checks since his "Jonah" music was used to close off the episodes a LOT.

The way it works is that each show will pay off a certain amount of money to the composers and publishers, depending upon the station it airs on and the time it airs. Prime-time on NBC pays a lot more than 4:00 a.m. on some local cable channel

So let's say a particular show airing on a particular channel at a particular time will pay $100 for the music. If there is a total of 30 minutes of music in the show, here's the breakdown:

If Composer A & His Publisher has 15 minutes of music, that's 50% of the music, so they'll split 50% of the money ($50) and each get $25.

If Composer B & His Publisher has 7.5 minutes of music, that's 25% of the music, so they'll split 25% of the money ($25) and each get $12.50.

If Composer C & His Publisher has 7.5 minutes of music, that's 25% of the music, so they'll split 25% of the money ($25) and each get $12.50.

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2020 - 11:48 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

Thanks for all the interesting info on how the music fees are paid out.

Since many of the "Jerry's Theme" references were 5-10 seconds sometimes, JG must have gotten quite a few 25¢ checks. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2020 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

The societies pay the writer every other month for all of his/her writing at the same time, so all the 25 cent payments are included with the hundred-dollar payments in one check (itemized on a statement), so it's very unlikely Jerry ever got a check less than many thousands of dollars...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2020 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   charles124   (Member)

Was Savage Jungle an original score (I seem to remember some of the music in it was from the first season's MIST OF SILENCE)?

"Savage Jungle" had an original score by Harry Geller. The only color episode I remember using the first season scores (not including music lifted from films) was "The Plant Man."


Thanks and sorry but MIST OF SILENCE's fight music IS used during a part of SAVAGE JUNGLE.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2020 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   charles124   (Member)

btw as an aside as most of you might not know, there was a 13 episode series called WESTWIND which had a LOST IN SPACE bit of John Williams type music in the middle of a chase action track. If anyone finds that show or any eps let me know~~! It starred Van Williams and Kimberly Beck, who was in one LOTG episode. The music to it was quite good, too.

Oh my goodness, WESTWIND! The series that replaced the Star Trek Animated series. It's the only reason I remember the name, I was crushed when NBC ran an announcement which said "Star Trek will no longer be seen at this time, now stay tuned for WESTWIND!" I refused to watch it. big grin


Then you missed a good show and some great music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2020 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   charles124   (Member)

On LOTG we were obligated to sample all the episodes we had scores for. So it was a matter of some cues being damaged or missing AND the fact that we had to present all the scores, and in chronological order. We did not have those marching orders on Voyage.
For The Lost Bomb and Monster from the Inferno on Voyage we put every second of music that survived at Fox on the set.



SO what do you have that's in good condition from GIANTS?

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2020 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

And Jeff’s big incentive to go to the trouble of figuring out and sharing that detailed information with you is... the pleasure of having you continue to criticize him for what he left off?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2020 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Was Savage Jungle an original score (I seem to remember some of the music in it was from the first season's MIST OF SILENCE)?

"Savage Jungle" had an original score by Harry Geller. The only color episode I remember using the first season scores (not including music lifted from films) was "The Plant Man."


Thanks and sorry but MIST OF SILENCE's fight music IS used during a part of SAVAGE JUNGLE.


Sorry Charles, I just watched the episode to check (thanks...it's hardly my favorite but at least it moves quickly) and not a note of Mist of Silence - or ANY first season score - was used in Savage Jungle. Perhaps you're thinking of another episode.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2020 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   Micki Moreau   (Member)

I just want to say a heartfelt thank you to those that made this set possible. I just started watching this series a week ago and love it!

Micki

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2020 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

Also, having recently (just in time) grabbed the Star Trek box, and now this, I have to say I really like the house style for 60's TV sets. I liked looking at this as soon as I opened it.

Also, I think Jeff's notes are perfectly balanced for those who know a composer well, and those who don't. I'm up on my Goldsmith and my Leith Stevens, and for Jerry I got great behind the scenes, and with Stevens, I've intuitively picked up on his music before knowing it was his, but I'm not sure I could explain what I heard that got that across to me. Jeff characterized the music well.

Meanwhile, I don't know Sawtell so well, and after reading I felt like I had a sense of him.

I hope people won't miss this, at 1000 copies. The majority of it is new music to me, and I'm glad I snagged it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2020 - 12:46 AM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

Sawtell is one of the more difficult composers to "get a sense of." He could be a musical chameleon. We released a number of his film scores on our Monstrous Movie Music label, and the differences between ANIMAL WORLD, KRONOS/IT! THE TERROR FROM BEYOND SPACE and VIRGIN SACRIFICE are miles apart, and they don't sound too much like his television work except for one action cue that he seemed to use in just about every score he show he wrote from the late 1950s until his death. And if you listen to his great TARZAN scores of the 1940s, and the horror music he scored for Universal of the same era, it's really hard to put your finger on what makes Sawtell sound the way he does.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2020 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I still find Sawtell's music tough to get a handle on although at least his IA TV music to me seems quite similar. The one mystery to me is his Voyage theme music which to me sounds completely different from anything else he wrote--if anyone knows of anything by Sawtell in a similar vein I'd love to hear it. If you listen to his end titles from the Voyage pilot there's virtually no relationship either thematically or certainly in terms of the overall sound to what he eventually came up with for the Voyage theme--maybe just the germ of what would become the melody but you really have to dig into that morass to find it. I would love to know the details of what transpired between Sawtell writing the pilot and recording the familiar TV theme a few months later. We dug around at Fox as much as we could in terms of paperwork and contracts but really didn't find anything concrete about it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2020 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Sawtell's music for Irwin Allen (until the series theme) feels very old fashioned, more in line with something late 40's or early 50's. Yet the theme for the series feels exactly right. Then again, most of his film work that I have was done with Bert Shefter, which may have had something to do with it. Shefter's solo effort Curse of the Fly is in the same vein, but Sawtell's score for the Voyage episode "The Village of Guilt" is pretty darned good, and his finale cue is positively lyrical.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2020 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I'm sure Lionel Newman had an influence between Sawtell's work on the pilot and "Village of Guilt"--they went back and placed versions of his new Voyage theme that were recorded during the "Village of Guilt" sessions into the pilot episode to reinforce the new Seaview theme. But I would love to know what conversations took place between the pilot and "Village of Guilt."

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2020 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I'm just happy they didn't retain the Frankie Avalon song from the film.

Or worse...the unused alternate song...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2020 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

I haven't seen Irwin Allen's THE SEA AROUND US (1953) in 25 years, but it's a very impressionistic score by Sawtell and might offer some clues as to the later work he did for VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. Or not... Only an excerpt here, and a very prescient one in this Academy Award-winning documentary. The Master of Disaster was dead-on regarding this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql52n9Rvzdo

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2020 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   stringbean   (Member)

I've yet to receive mine. Things must be pretty bad over in the US in terms of postal backlog due to the pandemic crisis. My set was shipped last Monday by LLL and it's only just arrived in Los Angeles, so that's six days to get from Burbank, California to LA. Then it has to fly over the Atlantic to the UK.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2020 - 10:25 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I'm having better luck. My gift set from Advise & Consent arrived a day ahead of the tracking expectation, and it is perfect inside and out. The design/layout is cool, gorgeous, and information-packed. The sound quality is excellent.

I have LLL's Star Trek TOS box to compare it with, and I can say VTTBOTS is on that high level for collecting pleasure. It's just a joy to own.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2020 - 11:08 PM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

I'm having better luck. My gift set from Advise & Consent arrived a day ahead of the tracking expectation, and it is perfect inside and out. The design/layout is cool, gorgeous, and information-packed. The sound quality is excellent.

I have LLL's Star Trek TOS box to compare it with, and I can say VTTBOTS is on that high level for collecting pleasure. It's just a joy to own.


Same here. Received this generous gift from Advise&Consent today. I'm rewatching some of the episodes before diving in to this gorgeous set. I am quite happy to own this.

 
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