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 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)


Lo Spettro . Go to about the 3.50 mark. Absolutely gorgeous. For a horror film.
https://youtu.be/3xuYlyjywVo?si=ly5BzpP1OxXfzfxK


And very much influenced by Johannes Brahms´"Lullaby" (from op. 39). The melody line is very similar and De Masi has added some flourishes.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)


Lo Spettro . Go to about the 3.50 mark. Absolutely gorgeous. For a horror film.
https://youtu.be/3xuYlyjywVo?si=ly5BzpP1OxXfzfxK


And very much influenced by Johannes Brahms´"Lullaby" (from op. 39). The melody line is very similar and De Masi has added some flourishes.



Still lovely though.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I'm super "untrained" when it comes to old Italian film music, but always eager to learn. Are there any more lyrical de Masi scores worth checking out?

If you really want lyrical/romantic De Masi scores and not his usual western or giallo stuff, then check out EROE VAGABONDO (1966), UN SOLO GRANDE AMORE (1972), FESTA BAROCCA (1982, but still only available on LP) or UNA STORIA D´AMORE (1970).
Maybe also the early TI-KOYO E IL SUO PESCECANE from 1962 which was still a bit more influenced by the sweeping exotic style of Lavagnino.



eroe vagabondo score
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNPz7s909w8


un solo grande amore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYcrL6RIZdw

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

expanded my earlier selections but its been left behind lol



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1-HMIcGJF0&list=OLAK5uy_nEzfO2azxnE0otTRWwJU1eQ-ACEJxShqI&index=24
africa story track 24



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTeYzy0FkpM&list=OLAK5uy_nEbVcFZwXohmZkE_V1UGb4GHkn9GrZADY&index=1

alla scoperta dell'africa track 1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6xu-_JL24&list=OLAK5uy_nEbVcFZwXohmZkE_V1UGb4GHkn9GrZADY&index=2
alla scoperta dell'africa track 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apUaXPHTtzw&list=OLAK5uy_nEbVcFZwXohmZkE_V1UGb4GHkn9GrZADY&index=6
Oggi in africa (Slightly jazzy but cool)



another cool track from Vado L'ammazzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay0SbHagGrg

some variety now

Slightly more epic-y. Col Ferro e col fuoco track 42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tBrwptB2Vk


maciste title track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn9DzEAcyOQ


concerto per pistola soloista
track 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPqG-6XDgDY


concerto per pistola soloista -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nlmhexaRqo

sinfonia for 2 spie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NQoNm1SRMQ&list=OLAK5uy_lkFaL5VP7zGadEiBkZYuQh05HG2KY6qyI&index=3

and some sinfonia per 2 spie with cantori moderni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWPRlBn3LIo&list=OLAK5uy_lkFaL5VP7zGadEiBkZYuQh05HG2KY6qyI&index=14

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

One often forgotten face of de Masi is his sweeping orchestral scores from 1961 to about 1964, including several Peplum scores. While those have a fair bit of "Golden Age" orchestral action music, he wrote some of the best lyrical orchestral music for Peplum films. Sadly a few of his best Peplum scores are unreleased.

I'm personally also a big fan of his western and Eurospy scores (and a bit less so of his 70s output).

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Top thread!

Big band IFAMILIARI DELLE VITTIME NUN SARANNO AVVERTITI. My favourite of the crime/spy drama scores, makes me want more de Masi!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtauF_NP2b8
also known as Crime Boss. Ag is right, although jazz ish, its got some great tracks.
heres the score on youtube

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Much appreciated, Damian, Bill, Stefan etc. I'll check out all of those.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Francesco seems to be a master of making an established style his own.

Looking forward to compact discs of Colpo maestro al servizio di sua Maesta` Britannica, Alla Scoperta Dell'Africa.

The latest de Masi release from de Masi champion BEAT, L’UOMO DELLA VALLE MALEDETTA? Classical Hollywood style. Not yet recommended.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2024 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

La Morte Vienne da Manila. Playing this now and a lot is quite nice- tropical strings n exotic.
https://youtu.be/SOIJPbtQuN8?si=lPx9ZxdtNq7mAQSa

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2024 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Thor for you-

" I'm culturally closer to Bernatein and Tiomkin when I compose for a western" - DeMasi, the liner notes of the sign of the coyote. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2024 - 1:32 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor for you-

" I'm culturally closer to Bernatein and Tiomkin when I compose for a western" - DeMasi, the liner notes of the sign of the coyote. smile


That's funny. Haven't heard any of those elements in his music so far. Listening to the previously mentioned ARIZONA COLT (in full) as I'm writing this, and it's as Morricone as it gets. Very cool score, though.

[Edit: On to MAD DOG now, and yes -- the Bernstein & Tiomkin are more prevalent there]

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2024 - 4:21 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)


That's funny. Haven't heard any of those elements in his music so far. Listening to the previously mentioned ARIZONA COLT (in full) as I'm writing this, and it's as Morricone as it gets. Very cool score, though.


Yes, because de Masi also used the Alessandroni choir and the harmonica of Franco de Gemini. Maybe other musicians were the same too but I won't go into the long-term debate of who played guitar!

But otherwise, I think this has mostly to do with having a smaller budget than American scores and having to score for a band with strings, and the "beat" band sound being requested or wanted from 1964 onward. Personally, I would say that I also hear Gianni Ferrio, Angelo Francesco Lavagnino or Carlo Rustichelli in these early westerns, as much as Ennio Morricone. But don't get me wrong, westerns is the genre where Ennio has left the biggest imprint.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2024 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Yeah his earlier 60s stuff, especially from the peplum sword n sandal, were from the lavagnino rustichelli camp.

When Ennio changed styles with Leone, so did everyone else it italy to a certain extent, but still kept their own trademarks, like Piccioni's organ, Ortolani's strings etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2024 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

While they are all similar to a degree , they aren't the same if you listen. Lavagnino favoured the accordion, so that gave his some colour.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2024 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)


That's funny. Haven't heard any of those elements in his music so far. Listening to the previously mentioned ARIZONA COLT (in full) as I'm writing this, and it's as Morricone as it gets. Very cool score, though.


Yes, because de Masi also used the Alessandroni choir and the harmonica of Franco de Gemini. Maybe other musicians were the same too but I won't go into the long-term debate of who played guitar.


The guitarist on Arizona Colt is without doubt Alessandroni, he told me so himself years ago. In fact, he played the guitar (both electric and acoustic) on numerous De Masi scores. Afaik De Masi used a lot of the same session musicians as Morricone and the other major Italian film composers.

De Masi himself played the french horn so it's no surprise that a great number of his scores features that instrument quite prominently (Domenico Cecarossi was the french horn soloist on many scores of his). The (electric) bass guitar is also heavily featured in his film work, not only in the westerns.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2024 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

Thanks guys, this is a very informative and interesting thread so far. I've searched for excerpts from FESTA BAROCCA on the web but alas to no avail. I've seen that the LP is very long (more than 43').
By the way, I have only two LPs by De Masi that I will put on again (after more than 30 or 35 years for sure !) : SOLIMANO IL CONQUISTATORE and UN SOLO GRANDE AMORE.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2024 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

While they are all similar to a degree , they aren't the same if you listen. Lavagnino favoured the accordion, so that gave his some colour.

Carlo Savina and in particular Lavagnino appear to have preferred the accordion over the harmonica in many of their film scores. And they both used the electric organ a lot, as did Carlo Rustichelli (who almost always used a nostalgic theatre-organ-type of sound on his scores).

Lavagnino also used the Cordovox accordion-organ a great deal and I'm pretty sure it's responsible for the organ sounds (with lots of vibrato) heard on several of his scores, including Gli uomini passo pesante, where both the traditional acoustic accordion and organ section are featured, often playing at the same time.

The Cordovox was introduced in 1961-62 and made by Scandalli/Farfisa (the acoustic accordion) and Lowrey (the vacuum tube generator for the organ section, the speaker and the amp.). The organ section is based on the 1961 Lowrey holiday deluxe vacuum-tube organ. In general early tube organs are known for sounding great.


 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2024 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

If you really want lyrical/romantic De Masi scores and not his usual western or giallo stuff, then check out EROE VAGABONDO (1966), UN SOLO GRANDE AMORE (1972), FESTA BAROCCA (1982, but still only available on LP) or UNA STORIA D´AMORE (1970).

UNA HISTORIA D'AMORE is very nice indeed, especially that opening theme with the humming female vocal. Album is a bit long and repetitive (that goes for most of the De Masi scores I've sampled so far, by the way), but nothing a little whittling can't fix. Although it seems to be separated into mono mixes and stereo mixes (not the same tracks!), and so curating a decent, 30-something minute playlist out of this is tricky.

I also dig LESBOS, as Graham brought up. Whittled that down to a tight 37-minute program.

TROPPE PER VIVERE....POCCO PER MORIRE had some nice stuff, the pop song reminds me of what John Williams did at the time. But again, a bit repetitive. Haven't worked out to whittle that down yet.

For westerns, ARIZONA COLT was the main takeaway for me. Pure Morricone, but I dig that. And obviously, I needed his most famous, LONE WOLF MCQUADE.

Those are the results for now, after sampling some 20-25 De Masi scores, based on recommendations here and looking around on my own.

(there was some potential in the Rambo lookalike THUNDER too -- hilarious cover, btw, with what looks like the mountain from CLOSE ENCOUNTERS in the background).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2024 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

While they are all similar to a degree , they aren't the same if you listen. Lavagnino favoured the accordion, so that gave his some colour.

Carlo Savina and in particular Lavagnino appear to have preferred the accordion over the harmonica in many of their film scores. And they both used the electric organ a lot, as did Carlo Rustichelli (who almost always used a nostalgic theatre-organ-type of sound on his scores).

Lavagnino also used the Cordovox accordion-organ a great deal and I'm pretty sure it's responsible for the organ sounds (with lots of vibrato) heard on several of his scores, including Gli uomini passo pesante, where both the traditional acoustic accordion and organ section are featured, often playing at the same time.

The Cordovox was introduced in 1961-62 and made by Scandalli/Farfisa (the acoustic accordion) and Lowrey (the vacuum tube generator for the organ section, the speaker and the amp.). The organ section is based on the 1961 Lowrey holiday deluxe vacuum-tube organ. In general early tube organs are known for sounding great.



That's what I saidbig grin

As illustrated here

https://youtu.be/eUOY097RtBs?si=M7Sp9wc4ulPI52X3

Love that

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2024 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

Thanks guys, this is a very informative and interesting thread so far. I've searched for excerpts from FESTA BAROCCA on the web but alas to no avail. I've seen that the LP is very long (more than 43').
By the way, I have only two LPs by De Masi that I will put on again (after more than 30 or 35 years for sure !) : SOLIMANO IL CONQUISTATORE and UN SOLO GRANDE AMORE.


Hi there Laurent,

De Masi's FESTA BAROCCA score is very good in my opinion, but I've only heard the music in the actual episodes - I don't have the LP.

Here's a link to the 6 episodes if you wish to listen to the score. Note that a lot of the music is original music from the baroque era ie not by De Masi:
https://www.raicultura.it/speciali/festabaroccadifolcoquiliciejeanantoine

Let's hope for a CD release of this score in the near future.

 
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