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 Posted:   Mar 12, 2018 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

FIRST BLOOD (which I actually think is a good film, although my friends deride me for holding that opinion).

Man who are these friends of yours and why would you have to qualify that kind of statement. FIRST BLOOD is a legitimately great movie and one of the best action movies ever made.

 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2018 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Those friends ... give them an opinion they won't believe!

 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2018 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

"I still can't believe you like First Blood mate I th--"

"Let it go. Let. It. Go."

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2018 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Sylvia Miles once forced me to drink her piss. She used to do mad stuff like that all the time.


Wasn't it actually Sarah Miles' that used to like a glass of that?

Only I'm thinking if Sylvia Miles gets to hear of this allegation, she might want to sue... big grin


You know, I think you're right Simon. Sarah's the one who does that, but Sylvia's the one who LOOKS LIKE she'd do it. I don't know why I ever listened to the nutty old fruitbat.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2018 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

FIRST BLOOD (which I actually think is a good film, although my friends deride me for holding that opinion).

Man who are these friends of yours and why would you have to qualify that kind of statement. FIRST BLOOD is a legitimately great movie and one of the best action movies ever made.


Mike, they are my arty-farty friends. They also laugh at me for liking Jerry Goldsmith, because he wrote music for the Rambo films. And The Waltons.

So after a brief detour we're back on track. I ordered this today, but I'm gonna wait until THRILLER VOLUME 2 comes out so I can get them shipped together. And I'll have another perusal of my "wants" list, probably ticking off another CD that's been out for twenty years but which I haven't got round to getting yet. And it might not even be by Jerry Goldsmith.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 4:01 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

This thread should be kept afloat until Intrada gets its act together and gets in their "temporarily" out of stock items.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 4:10 AM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Can anyone who has this new version tell me if the showdown cue is cross faded into final battle? I prefer these two tracks separate and wondered if they can be edited apart.

Thanks.

CD just turned up in the post! Answer is - No cross fade. Good.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Can anyone who has this new version tell me if the showdown cue is cross faded into final battle? I prefer these two tracks separate and wondered if they can be edited apart.

Thanks.

CD just turned up in the post! Answer is - No cross fade. Good.


Glad to know this!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

I am glad I picked this up -- it sounds fantastic. Whereas the 2005 was a minor improvement in sound qaulity, this one is a significant leap. Great!

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I would say the 2005 edition was WAY MORE than a minor improvement over the previous 1989(?) CD edition.
I had both and the first one was dull and muddy. The 2nd edition was the sonic equivalent of having cataracts removed.
I'm not saying there hasn't been further sonic enhancements between the 2nd and the 3rd, but the original upgrade was quite telling.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Juergen   (Member)

I like the Rambo III artwork so much I put it on my wall....

Wow, those are frikkin' awesome! What size are they, and where did you get high enough quality scans / files to print them at that scale?


Those posters are 30"x30" squares. I just downloaded the artwork that Intrada, LLL and FSM make available to the public on their websites. I work for a large printing company and I use large format color plotters that use wax (instead of toner or ink) to print on plain paper. I tape them to my walls with common clear tape. Here are a few more in my dining area....



Is your apartment ready for rental or can I just move in for free?

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Adam B.   (Member)

Is your apartment ready for rental or can I just move in for free?

If you pay my internet and water/sewage bills then you can camp out in my storage closet. smile

I love all three Rambo scores equally but for differing reasons. They're just as spectacular as JW's first three Indiana Jones scores...and I love those three equally as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

If there was unused material I would of snapped this, I own the previous Intrada that's enough for me, it is a nice release so good luck with sales I'm sure it will do very well, its maestro Goldsmith.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I am glad I picked this up -- it sounds fantastic. Whereas the 2005 was a minor improvement in sound qaulity, this one is a significant leap. Great!
-Rick O.


I completely agree! The sound is wonderful. Any by far the best packaging yet. An essential upgrade for lovers of this score! Bravo Intrada!

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   Kylo Ren   (Member)

I'm sorry to burst anybody's bubble (enjoy what you enjoy), but all this talk of the sound.... doesn't that just make the dismal performance of the orchestra sound clearly worse?

I absolutely love the first two scores, but this one sends me to sleep, literally because of the poor performance of the orchestra. It's like hearing the Psycho Suite performed so tiresome and plodding that you would expect Norman Bates to be napping, not killing women in showers.

This entire score just sounds like that bad German take of "Clever Girl" from Total Recall but as an entire recording Ouch!. I've really tried to get into this, but I honestly just can't get passed how dreary and boring everything is, even though I know it's desperately wanting to be exciting.

I for one am glad they tracked in a lot of cues from Rambo 2 replacing the original cues in the equally as bad film.



---> Escape From Torture is better than anything in this score

---> Escape From Torture is perfectly named in regards to myself describing this score as well



I know I know, I should be stoned for saying this about the work of my fav composer of all time! big grin


I'll go even further.... I would rather listen to ST:Nemesis any day over this score, that's been criticized for similar things.






Ok..... backs away from the keyboard.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I agree in large part about the disappointing performance compared to the first two scores, but I feel the quality of Goldsmith's composition shines through it, in this third score. It is the most packed with thematic development and sweeping orchestral moments. I love it as his swansong for the series.

That said, I think it would be an awesome idea if some enterprising label wanted to newly record this score with a great modern performance and sound quality...with a new recording of the unused orchestral end credits from Rambo: First Blood Part II as an absolutely required bonus track. (Just cut down that early percussion cue if that's what's necessary to fit it on a single disc!)

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

This was part of my latest batch (along with THRILLER 2 - which I'd like to have a rabbit about where appropriate), and I must say I'm EXTREMELY elated with it. Having only ever had the old Scotti Bros LP, my fear was that at nearly 80 minutes, this would be "too long". Added to that was my general aversion to most-things Goldsmith post-1979. Sheesh, 1988? That's way too recent for me. But this CD is dynamite!

The really strange thing is that more often than not, unless a score is exceptionally well-structured/sequenced, and with a consistently INTERESTING musical content, I tune out after about the 30 to 40-minute mark and retake it later. RAMBO III holds my interest throughout. I think that even the synthy-droney bits that Kev mentioned work within the body of the presentation because they break up what could have been too relentlessly overpowering. I actually find those synthy-droney tracks towards the end musically tense enough that I want to keep listening.

Not a fan of the way JG incorporated synths into some of his scores (there are exceptions), especially this late on in his career. But I love the electronic rhythmic pattern established behind some of the action cues. It's like a really infectious wicka-wacka metalic pitter-patter that drives the music ahead. I usually hate wicka-wacka synths, but it's great here, and actually more like a throwback to something like DAMNATION ALLEY than anything else. The only synth sound I'm not particularly taken with is the sort of overdone "fart in the bath" splurge which starts off some of the motifs.

Having cloth ears can be a good thing. I never noticed the oft-commented bad performance by the orchestra. I've read elsewhere that they don't even play in time, as if each section was doing its own thing and not paying attention to the conductor or the other sections. Well, if that's the case, it makes it even more interesting sounding and off kilter.

Great CD.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

RAMBO III (aka Rambo II: First Blood, Part III) is a magnificent lumbering beast of a score, and any perceived deficiencies--of which I hear none--only positively add to the score's brilliance.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Glad you've joined the Rambo III-loving club, Graham! It was the first Rambo score I fell in love with, because its epic, sweeping orchestral scope appealed most to the young film score lover I was. Later on I learned to love the other two just as much, really...but I'll always have a special place in my heart for this one.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Can someone point to a few examples of the bad orchestral performance? I'll give and say it's not as nuanced in its more lyrical moments, but it's nowhere near as harmful to my ears as some make it out to be. I don't hear many particular performance flubs either.

Jerry was one of the finest conductors and I doubt he let the Hungarian performers off the hook that easy. (Though, yes, I think he gave them some free passes on Hoosiers/Lionheart)

 
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