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 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

De Masi has never been my go-to of the Italian composers and after 18 years I still have only a handful of his scores (notwithstanding welcome encouragement from Bill smile) and my first purchase, back in Mar 06, has always been a so-so listen:

Troppo Per Vivere...Poco Per Morire (1967)

And yet ... I played it last evening and couldn't believe how much I enjoyed it, especially the pop-rock tracks such as Hot Camera Shake. Great fun!

Still not mad about the vocals, especially those by Raoul, but the themes are worth hearing.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)



Still not mad about the vocals, especially those by Raoul, but the themes are worth hearing.


He growa on you. I wasn't keen at first. Now after about forty years I sort of like him. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

This thread is crazy.

Since I've been on an exploration binge lately, and since I have nothing - zero! - of de Masi in my collection (not even LONE WOLF MCQUADE or whathisface), I set aside time to read this thread through from start to finish, including the million music clips. Lots of great music here, although a lot of the western stuff seems almost indistinguishable from Morricone. However, I found myself geared more towards his lyrical side. I believe Bill shared some of those earlier in the thread.

So both a frustrating (as in massive information overload!) and rewarding exercise all at once. Thanks, though.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I may reluctantly go out on a limb to break through the block and order a western.

Then-
Vado L'Ammazzo E Torna
Santana Non Perdona
Arianna Colt
For starters


If you going down that road... Try the cd with the 3 western scores on...
.

Heres a suite from Kill them all and come back alone.
https://youtu.be/kK_qXwyDCYA

Sartarna dont forgive
https://youtu.be/k6wQ1RA4GUU

It was this triple LP that got me into DeMasi in mid 70s.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Thor, before you upset anyone, more sensitive than me , let me warn you - Morricone/ DeMasi = miles apart. Is that clear.big grin

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I think it's fair to say, to the untrained ear, all the Italian maestros copied ennio's blueprint for westerns (in fact they copied his blueprint for giallo, comedy, horror, drama, etc) but with their own distinct flourishes n sound n signature.

On a first listen DeMasi's use of Alessandroni whistling, choir, electric guitar, De Gemini harmonica, etc would sound loosely like Ennio western stuff.

The more you check out these guys, you realise how much more individualism they brought to the party.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm super "untrained" when it comes to old Italian film music, but always eager to learn. Are there any more lyrical de Masi scores worth checking out?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Your training has begun.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Lyrical
Lo spettro. Only a short score paired with another. Very autumnal.
Mad Dog. Despite title alot is quite lyrical, pleasant
Some of his spy films are at least very catchy

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

I'm super "untrained" when it comes to old Italian film music, but always eager to learn. Are there any more lyrical de Masi scores worth checking out?

I'm also super untrained on old Italian film music, like Satanic Rhapsody ("Rapsodia Satanica") scored by Pietro Mascagni in 1917.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2024 - 10:36 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I'm super "untrained" when it comes to old Italian film music, but always eager to learn. Are there any more lyrical de Masi scores worth checking out?

I'm also super untrained on old Italian film music, like Satanic Rhapsody ("Rapsodia Satanica") scored by Pietro Mascagni in 1917.


I purchased the Frank Strobel/Deutsche Staatsphilharmonie Rheinland-Pfalz/2005 recording of this Mascagni work just over a year ago ... but haven't played it for many months. Most works are on a 3+ yr play cycle but I think its mention will jog me into breaking this routine.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 12:09 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I'm super "untrained" when it comes to old Italian film music, but always eager to learn. Are there any more lyrical de Masi scores worth checking out?

Most of the Italians- while not always as lyrical n sweeping as Ennio, all did a lot of lounge scores, bossa, beat, chachachas, and plenty used Edda or Nora for female soprano work, cantori moderni or 4x4 Orlandi for choir work. DeMasi I don't recall any whole scores that immediately jump out at my brain, but plenty of tracks. You may be better off sorting a compilation of his more "lyrical" tracks. It's just a bit of youtube research.

I will look see if I can dig out some samples.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 12:13 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I'm super "untrained" when it comes to old Italian film music, but always eager to learn. Are there any more lyrical de Masi scores worth checking out?

Most of the Italians- while not always as lyrical n sweeping as Ennio, all did a lot of lounge scores, bossa, beat, chachachas, and plenty used Edda or Nora for female soprano work, cantori moderni or 4x4 Orlandi for choir work. DeMasi I don't recall any whole scores that immediately jump out at my brain, but plenty of tracks. You may be better off sorting a compilation of his more "lyrical" tracks. It's just a bit of youtube research.

I will look see if I can dig out some more samples.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 12:21 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)



I'm also super untrained on old Italian film music, like Satanic Rhapsody ("Rapsodia Satanica") scored by Pietro Mascagni in 1917.


Good score. This gets played now and then.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAWa0mXuba8&list=OLAK5uy_nEzfO2azxnE0otTRWwJU1eQ-ACEJxShqI&index=4
african story track 4 seq 3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81-iiLTGLB4&list=OLAK5uy_nEzfO2azxnE0otTRWwJU1eQ-ACEJxShqI&index=6
africa story track 6 seq 5


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbv4Fbs3kwU&list=OLAK5uy_nEzfO2azxnE0otTRWwJU1eQ-ACEJxShqI&index=14
africa story 14 seq 11 (slow jazz trumpet)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDF2dKTpkQc&list=OLAK5uy_nEzfO2azxnE0otTRWwJU1eQ-ACEJxShqI&index=17
african story track 17 seq 14



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1-HMIcGJF0&list=OLAK5uy_nEzfO2azxnE0otTRWwJU1eQ-ACEJxShqI&index=24
africa story track 24



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTeYzy0FkpM&list=OLAK5uy_nEbVcFZwXohmZkE_V1UGb4GHkn9GrZADY&index=1

alla scoperta dell'africa track 1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6xu-_JL24&list=OLAK5uy_nEbVcFZwXohmZkE_V1UGb4GHkn9GrZADY&index=2
alla scoperta dell'africa track 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apUaXPHTtzw&list=OLAK5uy_nEbVcFZwXohmZkE_V1UGb4GHkn9GrZADY&index=6
Oggi in africa (Slightly jazzy but cool)



another cool track from Vado L'ammazzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay0SbHagGrg

some variety now

Slightly more epic-y. Col Ferro e col fuoco track 42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tBrwptB2Vk


maciste title track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn9DzEAcyOQ


concerto per pistola soloista
track 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPqG-6XDgDY


concerto per pistola soloista -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nlmhexaRqo


more to follow

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Most of the Italians- while not always as lyrical n sweeping as Ennio, all did a lot of lounge scores, bossa, beat, chachachas, and plenty used Edda or Nora for female soprano work, cantori moderni or 4x4 Orlandi for choir work. DeMasi I don't recall any whole scores that immediately jump out at my brain, but plenty of tracks. You may be better off sorting a compilation of his more "lyrical" tracks. It's just a bit of youtube research.

I will look see if I can dig out some more samples.


Thanks! I can try looking for myself too. To be fair, it's not only the lyrical/calm/sweeping/romantic I like, I can also dig some loungey stuff. The clips you just shared from AFRICAN STORY, for example, were very nice indeed. I'm still not sure how a lot of this music is so radically different from what Morricone did at the time, but I suppose the devil's in the details.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Most of the Italians- while not always as lyrical n sweeping as Ennio, all did a lot of lounge scores, bossa, beat, chachachas, and plenty used Edda or Nora for female soprano work, cantori moderni or 4x4 Orlandi for choir work. DeMasi I don't recall any whole scores that immediately jump out at my brain, but plenty of tracks. You may be better off sorting a compilation of his more "lyrical" tracks. It's just a bit of youtube research.

I will look see if I can dig out some more samples.


Thanks! I can try looking for myself too. To be fair, it's not only the lyrical/calm/sweeping/romantic I like, I can also dig some loungey stuff. The clips you just shared from AFRICAN STORY, for example, were very nice indeed. I'm still not sure how a lot of this music is so radically different from what Morricone did at the time, but I suppose the devil's in the details.


It is not that it is radically different, but simply that Morricone is only one part in this. Of course several Italian Horror, Giallo, Comedy, Drama, etc scores were done before he even did one. So Morricone was influenced by older and contemporary composers. Was he influenced by de Masi? Maybe not much, but certainly a bit.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

I actually know very little about De Masi, since I for some reason felt from scratch that his music was too old-fashioned for my taste. After discovering the superb score to the documentary film L'UOMO EUROPEO released by Kronos a few years ago, I changed my mind and I'm now trying to explore a bit more his output. The last 2 Cds I purchased are ALLA SCOPERTA DELL'INDIA (Cometa) and AFRICAN STORY (Digitmovies) which I both enjoyed very much. I also listened on YT to his score to THE BIG GAME (LA MACCHINA DELLA VIOLENZA) and ordered it at once. It will be my 9th CD of De Masi.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)



Thanks! I can try looking for myself too. To be fair, it's not only the lyrical/calm/sweeping/romantic I like, I can also dig some loungey stuff. The clips you just shared from AFRICAN STORY, for example, were very nice indeed. I'm still not sure how a lot of this music is so radically different from what Morricone did at the time, but I suppose the devil's in the details.


FBI Opeazione Pakistan
https://youtu.be/T73nXh9MRM0?si=s9AKTdzO-fnUEnh3

https://youtu.be/90Kl2uGLBPg?si=XLoeOwnB4x7S75nF

https://youtu.be/A3-VoOAF6Mk?si=1neWZu9QlPJgngCS


Lo Spettro . Go to about the 3.50 mark. Absolutely gorgeous. For a horror film.


https://youtu.be/3xuYlyjywVo?si=ly5BzpP1OxXfzfxK

Mad Dog

https://youtu.be/52U_yOzaKcg?si=GOKRwIDuLBw3yfgb

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2024 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I'm super "untrained" when it comes to old Italian film music, but always eager to learn. Are there any more lyrical de Masi scores worth checking out?

If you really want lyrical/romantic De Masi scores and not his usual western or giallo stuff, then check out EROE VAGABONDO (1966), UN SOLO GRANDE AMORE (1972), FESTA BAROCCA (1982, but still only available on LP) or UNA STORIA D´AMORE (1970).
Maybe also the early TI-KOYO E IL SUO PESCECANE from 1962 which was still a bit more influenced by the sweeping exotic style of Lavagnino.

 
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