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MOONRAKER not yet dead in the water ... just waiting for final reply one way for t'other from publishers and legal peole..
Well that's exciting news to kick the new year off with!
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MOONRAKER will be a fantastic re-recording subject, like RAISE THE TITANIC. Do you think they'll have choral voices for "Flight Into Space"?
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I wonder if the best way to support things like the Moonraker project, or a potential Williams' Dracula rerecord, isn't so much a Kickstarter campaign for each title, but a campaign to buy up existing stock of James' releases. The man ponies up tens of thousands of dollars per project, does wonderful work, produces videos of the studio sessions, and is great to deal with. I'd like to see him around forever.
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MOONRAKER will be a fantastic re-recording subject, like RAISE THE TITANIC. Do you think they'll have choral voices for "Flight Into Space"?
I did already record the choral version of Flight into Space years ago for Silva Screen ....
Anyway, I have approached EON, EMI MUSIC etc... again this week ...awaiting replies....
One valid question would of course be why they aren't doing it themselves - or licensing the original recording to, let's say, Tadlow or Prometheus...
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You got our support James. I've been waiting for this for such a long time like so many others. Do you need us to get the italian mob involved? I'm sure they could "convince" them to give you a reply that you would find satisfactory lol.
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We need an FAQ. The "Moonraker tapes are lost" thing is a misquote we've gone over dozens of times. I'm not saying MGM, UA, EMI or Eon do know where they are, just that the "common knowledge" that the tapes are lost is based on a misquotation.
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The problem with releasing the original scores is not that they wouldn't sell.
If a score like Jagged Edge is commercially viable, a score like Moonraker definitely is. Where do we get this silly idea that James Bond film scores are not viable releases when you see half of what is coming out?
The problem with Moonraker specifically may or not be tapes.
To go over it again, the statement that the Moonraker tapes are lost is a misquotation of Lukas Kendall in 2003. What he actually said was the tapes were not in London, where the other expanded scores they did were stored. That's not the same as saying they were actually lost. Nobody did a search, as far as I know.
Then people started going on about how Davout studios dumped all the tapes left there, so Davout dumped the Moonraker tapes. But that was adding two and two and getting five. The Moonraker tapes were shipped to England in 1979 and there is no reason to believe they would have been shipped back to Davout.
The tapes for Moonraker were sighted in crates at Pinewood in 2000. Where they are now, I don't know, but contrary to the apocrypha, they have not been "confirmed" as lost. Indeed, when the Bond films had their soundtracks mixed into 5.1 for the Ultimate Edition DVDs, I was told the engineers used the original Moonraker score tapes to create that film's 5.1 mix. But that story could also be apocryphal.
Anyway, the main problem with getting more expanded Bond scores out is sheer unwillingness on the part of the owners to cooperate with people who'd like to release this stuff.
Maybe the potential profits are just not big enough for them to get interested, but that's different from them not being commercially viable—just not commercially viable enough, for their big money tastes.
Cheers
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Perhaps there are restrictions that apply to the safely guarded properties of mega-franchises like James Bond?
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Jan 5, 2017 - 8:52 AM
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JamesFitz
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As a lawyer dealing in copyright law, I am curious to why James seeks permission for the recording. Anyone can record another artists music as long as royalties are paid to the publisher/songwriter.
As you might know it is not the "re recording" aspect that is the problem but getting "new" recording clearances for previously unreleased cues. At one time it was plan sailing with most of the publishers...but now composers and their agents or estates have put pressure on the publishers to be more "careful" in granting a new recording licence.
A fair point I looked into - and concluded that the music will be viewed as "released" in legal terms when being part of a film released to the public.
In the UK you can even make a cover version of a song that has only been on radio, i.e. not been released on a permanent media format for sale to the public.
So to rerecord the Moonraker music not on the soundtrack album should be legal, without prior consent from the publisher, Eon or anyone. They will most likely say no to your request. That is their reflex, but does not mean they are in the postion to say so. I know, from experience with EON. That was about rights to publish photos from the films in a book. Same principle as with the music, really. The book was published, by the way. Without consent from Eon.
The trouble for non-lawyers this is such a "grey area" and the publishers think in USA and UK that they have more control than they actually have. For example the publishers of Cole Porter, Gershwin, Rodger and Hammerstein and Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, ALL INSIST that any new recording of any songs by these composers can only be done if the arrangement and orchestration is approved in advance by them! And if not approved, then the singer must "hire" the "original arrangement" direct from them and not alter anything incl the key. So in theory "Summertime" can only be sung in one key .... any new recording of any song from West Side Story MUST use the show orchestration...one is not even allowed to use the Film orchestration .... And any Rodgers and Hammerstein song recorded has to be "approved" by Boosey and Hawkes! And, Ennio Morricone and his publishers seem to believe that Ennio is the only person who should ever record his music.
Legally it all seems clear ... but in practice not quite so easy. I am currently being threatened with legal action by a production company who have objected to my new recording of a score...even though I have not actually recorded any "new" cues, just existing cues, on that particular disc.....
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Indeed, when the Bond films had their soundtracks mixed into 5.1 for the Ultimate Edition DVDs, I was told the engineers used the original Moonraker score tapes to create that film's 5.1 mix. But that story could also be apocryphal.
I hope it's apocryphal. There is noticeable tape wow in some of the cues on the remastered Moonraker video release. If they did in fact use the original master tapes for the DVDs, that would suggest those tapes have deteriorated beyond acceptable condition.
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